Fri, 07 Aug 2026 19:36:09 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14868#Comment_14868 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14868#Comment_14868 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:07:23 +0000 Katymac
He reckons that the cracks have got substantially worse and that there are really issues with it's stability - he won't touch it unless we get a structural engineer out to look at it asap

What is my position with planning about this?

If they have given permission to convert - will I need additional permission to pull down & rebuild or will it be OK?

Everytime I get anywhere I seem to get kicked in the teeth with this - maybe I should just give up]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14871#Comment_14871 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14871#Comment_14871 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:01:28 +0000 jon
You probably need to talk to a SE first, then Planning second depending on findings. If you don't know of SE's in your area, let me know and I'll give you a few numbers. Probably best to talk to your architect first about finding one as he may have a preference.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14873#Comment_14873 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14873#Comment_14873 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:10:02 +0000 Katymac
I think it is moving - the floor also has a crack that wasn't there before

We wanted to knock it down & start again but planning said no]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14874#Comment_14874 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14874#Comment_14874 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:24:33 +0000 CWatters
Get your barn propped up so it can't fall down and have an SE come and advise you on what steps need to be taken to reinforce it. I would avoid approaching the planners for new PP unless you really really have to. My architect lives in a barn conversion and when he purchased it the place was leaning over badly. They had to use chains to pull it back upright before it could be reinforced with new timber. They are surprisingly strong. If you really have to take it down under no circumstances do so until you get your PP amended in writing.

Good luck.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14875#Comment_14875 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14875#Comment_14875 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:26:43 +0000 jon
So you will need to preserve the structure of the barn (probably)

Is it a typical Norfolk timber barn? Have you put a thread up anywhere showing a photograph?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14876#Comment_14876 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14876#Comment_14876 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:33:13 +0000 Katymac
It's concrete block & asbestos cement roof]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14877#Comment_14877 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14877#Comment_14877 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:45:41 +0000 jon
If cracks are developing, there may be an issue with your soil: This may lead to underpinning. Unfortunately, in general, Norfolk is not known for having good soils.

If you can put up a photograph, it may help us to see what it is you are looking at]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14878#Comment_14878 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14878#Comment_14878 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:49:50 +0000 Katymac https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14879#Comment_14879 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14879#Comment_14879 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:50:07 +0000 Katymac https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14880#Comment_14880 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14880#Comment_14880 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:50:48 +0000 GBP-Keith https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14881#Comment_14881 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14881#Comment_14881 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:51:52 +0000 Katymac https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14882#Comment_14882 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14882#Comment_14882 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:52:50 +0000 Katymac
I have permission to alter it and open as a nursery]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14883#Comment_14883 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14883#Comment_14883 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:53:39 +0000 Katymac https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14884#Comment_14884 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14884#Comment_14884 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:55:35 +0000 Katymac

I just looked - 9 out of the 16 threads in commercial are about my nursery - sorry]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14886#Comment_14886 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14886#Comment_14886 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:00:53 +0000 GBP-Keith https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14887#Comment_14887 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14887#Comment_14887 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:01:47 +0000 Katymac
But mine expressed exactly how I was feeling]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14892#Comment_14892 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14892#Comment_14892 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:59:43 +0000 Katymac ]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14895#Comment_14895 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14895#Comment_14895 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:24:52 +0000 jon
Do you have a photo looking on a side wall?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14896#Comment_14896 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14896#Comment_14896 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:35:42 +0000 Katymac
But their is a pier (is that the right word) down from the centre of the gable with a window to the right

From the roofline to the floor is cracked - generally on the mortor line next to the gable
Then on the other side of the window the crack is from roofline to window top

The on the long wall there are crack across the corner & another crack from floor up to the window & pier on that wall

The builder was discussing the close proximity of ploughing at that corner - about 18inches outside the building]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14897#Comment_14897 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14897#Comment_14897 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:51:21 +0000 caliwag https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14898#Comment_14898 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14898#Comment_14898 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:54:00 +0000 chuckey Round here they build these things with the steel work going into a 18" cube of concrete with its top level with the ground and the walls are built on 6" deep strips of concrete between the "foundation" blocks, no tying in at all. And not to mention no compacting of the soil under/around the foundations. And that is OKed by the local BC.
Frank]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14899#Comment_14899 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14899#Comment_14899 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:56:37 +0000 Katymac
I was just gutted and needing of support

I think the barn is going to have to come down

I am really gutted by it]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14926#Comment_14926 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14926#Comment_14926 Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:23:55 +0000 jon
1: On the gable and side wall: Arrange a small hand-dig to the base of the foundation *before* your SE arrives
2: Photograph the building as much as you can now for information to send to any SE that gives you a price

Barns do and did not have the same level of design standard that would be applied to most other buildings. It would not be that uncommon to find that there are no foundations: If your foundations (which could be a block laid on its side) proves to be a few hundred mm below ground and you know that ploughing has gone on in the locality, make sure that you bring this to the SE's attention.

Taking the barn down would be a mistake at this stage. Wait for the SE's report.

Good luck]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14931#Comment_14931 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14931#Comment_14931 Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:18:00 +0000 Katymac
I was emailed by the architect this morning (which I was very impressed by)

He thinks it will be OK - it's not a surprise to him & he has put some under pinning in at that corner in the plans (apparently)]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14936#Comment_14936 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=14936#Comment_14936 Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:45:19 +0000 jon https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=15057#Comment_15057 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=15057#Comment_15057 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:21:45 +0000 Katymac https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=15073#Comment_15073 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=15073#Comment_15073 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:17:35 +0000 TheDoctor https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=15381#Comment_15381 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=15381#Comment_15381 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:49:13 +0000 James Norton Posted By: TheDoctornot all architects are 9 to 5'ers......

You mean you know some who are....?

J]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=16297#Comment_16297 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=16297#Comment_16297 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:12:30 +0000 Daren
Before you start any of the "conversion works", carry out repair works to the barn in accordance with a structural engineers details, and before submitting your b'regs application. This is all repair and completely legal as the building is still a barn. Even keep the roof on while your doing it.
Once the "repair" works are complete and the building is sound, you can carry out the conversion works.

Daren]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=16361#Comment_16361 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1290&Focus=16361#Comment_16361 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:42:11 +0000 renewablejohn
Is that ivy creeping up the wall if so I would get rid of it as it can damage the walls with its aerial roots and the foundations with its roots.]]>