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    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015
     
    I'm a fan of the OEM stuff. It continues to be developed and the latest is a Pi based system. It is expandable and hackable or just used out of the box. The original idea for a pi + enclosure, was to have an HDD attached to solve the problems with SD Card failure, but they seem to have solved the problem with a low write system so it is just SD card, plus a shield to do the clever stuff!

    I'd encourage anyone who is interested in this to support them if you can.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openenergymonitor/emonpi-open-hardware-raspberry-pi-based-energy-mon
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015 edited
     
    I looked at this the other day, I really can't see the advantage of yet another energy monitor unless it is really cheap (£20) or very flexible with the ability to switch things on and off.
    http://www.ebuild.co.uk/topic/15623-emonpi-open-hardware-energy-monitor-kickstarter-campaign/

    The biggest problem I come across is that people just don't understand what energy is. They think it is just a cash price per month and very really link it to usage quantities. A good example of this is that a lot of people know what their cars do to the gallon, which is strange as we buy fuel by the litre, but do not know what their annual fuel spend is. Mine is £2955 @1.25p/lt.
    This is 6.5 times my domestic energy spend.

    A meter for a car may be a better idea.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015
     
    Which is of course an argument against smart meters!

    Of course it depends on what you want to do. This system can monitor temp, humidity, PV import. They have the backend to enable you to switch things via one wire relays and have an MQTT interface planned. I import my external weather data into it and ultimately I think I will be able to control my heating via it (if I ever get the time to play). As a basis for a whole house system I think it has much going for it.

    Oh and the standalone version will run on batteries so you could stick it somewhere, let it run and gather data, then go and get that data.

    It is also partly about how they try and run the company as well.

    YMMV
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015
     
    You and Yours just had a bit about smart meters.

    I think the biggest thing is that people don't know what they want.

    An example would be turning my heating on and off when I go away.
    I currently do this with a manual switch, pretty easy, as I know when I am going away, the packed bag is the giveaway.
    As I have E7, I would need to switch it on a day before my return, remote access may be useful here. As it is I just turn the fan heater on when I get in, and that is only for about months of the year.
    People with gas heating don't really have this problem. They may need to turn the heating on several hours before they get home, but that is more to do with the thermal properties of their house than clever remote access. Fix the fundamentals first.

    Someone commented that they can remotely control the heating at a place they rent out. I am not sure if this is legal. I would be pretty miffed if someone else started playing with my settings.

    Lights are the biggest joke, why would you want to turn them on and off when no one is there. Security is the usual answer. Then get an alarm.

    I am sure remote access and the IoT will happen, but I question the value of it all.
    I think consumers have fallen into a trap that anything ITish will follow Moore's Law. So spending a bit of money on some monitoring will actually reduce the unit price of energy. We know that is a nonsense. Turning things off and not 'over using' is what saves money.

    A stand alone energy monitor that can log would be useful, for £20. Though having said that, if I have a power cut, I use no energy, so no gain there. I too put data from my weather station (now faulty and needs returning) to a RPi, as well as my usage. If I had PV, I could easily sense that too. I can, if I want, monitor individual appliances (how I found out my fridge was burning kWh/day).
    Difference is that we take an interest, most people don't, and even when shown the numbers, do nothing about it. That is the real challenge.
    • CommentAuthorDarylP
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015
     
    i think you are missing the point of 'smart meters', they are destined to be used in conjunction with variable charging, and load-shedding during the day/night.

    The ability to demonstrate to/educate users that the energy they use varies in cost during the day will smooth the way towards multiple charging bands throughout the day, combined with variations due to increased solar/wind inputs?

    The nay-sayer on the radio just did not get the point, or was not willing to acknowledge it?:shamed:
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015
     
    Posted By: DarylPi think you are missing the point of 'smart meters', they are destined to be used in conjunction with variable charging, and load-shedding during the day/night.
    Thing is this is not how they are being marketed. Instead it is all 'install a smart meter and save energy/money' which every one here knows is bunkum. Knowing how much you use does not necessarily = using less.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015 edited
     
    Initially smart metering was meant to be two way communication, but that is not going to happen any time soon.
    If we, as individuals created stand alone systems that can mange the demand in out house, then there would only be a slight difference in the daily variance. Outside factors are what govern our lives. We currently have about 10 GW of nuclear power available, but our national baseload is very really under 20 GW. No amount of load shedding/time shifting is going to change this in the next 20 years. It is true that as wind and PV make a bigger contribution that there are some benefits from an environmental viewpoint in time shifting, but again they are limited.
    As we move away from coal and replace it with RE and gas, we will have to load shift, and balancing will become more important and expensive. But this is 2 decades away.
    Currently smart meters are only useful for reporting usage and seem to be 'locked' to one agency, the technology does not seem to be universal. British Gas jumped the gun on this one.
    The ability to monitor in the home is useful to some people (I am one of them), but most people probably won't pay for the option to have a display. British Gas and EDF sent out millions of energy monitor, very few got used.

    This is why I question the need for another monitor in the marketplace. if it is to succeed it has to be cheap and useful. So far, from my research (what my ResM is in after all) was that even knowing your usage, you are quite often helpless to do anything about it i.e. no good putting your lights on when the PV is generating or putting them on when you are asleep as energy is cheap.
    We need to have a more integrated energy mix based on nuclear, wind and PV with gas taking up the differences. 3 of those technologies are very controversial and gas is susceptible to world energy price fluctuations. I don't know how much load shifting we can realistically do, probably no more than 15% of our daily variations, which yesterday (02/04/2015) would be 2.44 GW or about 100W per house (if only houses did all the balancing). It would be easier to save 2.4 kWh/day per house than try and manage it dynamically.
    You could turn a medium sized town off for an hour a day, if we knew it was going to happen we would cope quite easily.
    But the very easy way to sort this problem is to just put the price of energy up, demand reduction will happen naturally that way.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015
     
    Did you read this blog post? Interesting use of measuring; right up your street ST!
    http://openenergymonitor.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/kettle-vs-blanket.html
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2015
     
    It seems to me that the emonPi is intended for people who already have some interest in energy monitoring for whatever reason and need to measure a few different parameters but don't want to mess around too much doing their own system. To compare it with either a home-brew Arduino (or whatever) system in one direction or a simple off-the-shelf energy monitor or smart meter in the other is entirely missing the point.
    • CommentAuthorHairlocks
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2015
     
    Been considering for a while whether to get a emon, looks like now is the time to jump in. Was going to home brew, but never seem to have the time. This looks like a good half-way house for me.
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