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    • CommentAuthorrsk1
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2017
     
    Can anyone give a comparison of the eco credentials of real versus artificial roofing slates? And while we're at it, any other kind of comparison such as longevity and cost
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    Some fibre-cement slates are nearing the end of their life at around 30 years. There's a good example about 200 yards from where we last met! I don't know about embodied energy-type calcs, but bear in mind that the life of a real slate could be at least 4-5 times as long as a fibre- (and quite possibly asbestos-) cement 'slate'.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2017
     
    Cambrian from Redland Monier, state 60 years. made from 60% natural slate.
    • CommentAuthorMarkyP
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2017
     
    cant comment on the eco aspect but we used real slate on our project. it was a toss up between welsh and spanish, we went for quality spanish in the end - SSQ's Domiz 1st. They come with a 75 year guarantee and welsh naitonal parks approval. Nice looking slates, pleased with them.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2017
     
    Can't comment on longevity of eco slates (whatever that means), but when I looked at the embodied energy and carbon dioxide emissions of some recycled rubber ones, they were not as good as natural slate.
    Recycling is not always that good when it comes to embodied energy and carbon dioxide emissions.
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    Any up to date recommendations?

    Currently considering our roofing options - we want Nordic style roofing perhaps standing seam but open to suggestions be it black and to last
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2026
     
    Are you close enough to the sea to get salt spray which attacks even galvanised and top quality stainless? If not, then colour coated profiled metal sheeting - trad agricultural 3" x 3/4" sine-wave 'galvanised iron' in 0.7mm (not standard 0.5mm) grade is my favourite, always handsome if precisely done. Maybe nothing less than zinc will do - don't even think of the zinc coated steel look-alike standing seam systems - they show rust streaks soon enough even inland. Website doesn't say what the Catnic product is made of, but everything else they make is coated mild steel - don't touch it.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2026
     
    To add - Catnic Solastream is the solar-panel augmented version of Catnic Urban, which yes is just colour coated Tata steel, def not for a salty atmosphere, and AFAIK not for inland either, as a cheap alternative to solid-zinc standing seam, as it soon shows rust streaks. Why should it do that, when the same-material (colour coated steel) works fine as 'corrugated iron'? Must be because as standing-seam, the metal has to be 'worked' and crimped, while profiled metal sheeting is not. Even cut ends don't seem to rust, whether done with the approved nibbler/shear tool (which nicely compresses the painted edge) or with more damage and paint-melting with a cutting disc (the nibbler only works straight across the sheet - if cut diagonally or curved, has to be disc'd). I guess the working/crimping disrupts the paint into flakes, which then hold water (as a clean cut does not).
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    We're about 70m up from sea level and a good 500m away so I'd say not affected

    Traditional agricultural gives just that, the feel of a barn or a shed, can't see how this would work on the property.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2026
     
    We avoided steel for our roof and went with aluminium. It seems to be OK but I suppose it's only been ten years. Zinc is supposed to be very good, but I have no experience.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2026 edited
     
    Aluminium also not good at the seaside!
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    Fostertom wrote:

    ''Aluminium also not good at the seaside!''

    FT, I guess you were galvanised into action to say that.... (I'll get my coat)
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2026
     
    That'll be why they build some boat hulls out of aluminium then :devil: You do need to choose the right alloy and the right surface covering, of course. Take expert advice.
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    It is the anodised surface finish that gives aluminium the corrosion resistance for use on boats etc
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2026 edited
     
    But it's that and/or stove enamel/colour coating that goes dull/pitted, in marine atmosphere. Yes, if not anodised, or if anodising fails, Al soon starts growing white fluff. Maybe Al boats get lots of re-painting?

    If people disagree, get maintenance-free, longtime smart looks with Al in a salt-blown location, I'll change my belief. AFAIK, Scandinavian-grade timber windows with factory opaque stain finish (no Al facings) stay smart longest by the sea - and can be re-finished at quite long intervals.
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    Aluminium boats (or underwater bits like outboard motors) often have zinc anodes to stop them corroding, and use specific alloys with a lot of magnesium chrome manganese and whatnot for corrosion resistance. Smaller items like masts and fittings are anodised after all shaping and welding has been done - don't think this works for roofs where seams are folded in situ.

    Aluminium is a bit awkward to fasten as it is too soft to use for satisfactory screws, so has to be fastened with a different material like stainless steel and eventually they corroded each other. Got to keep it away from anything copper or brass.

    But I have a few aluminium masts from about 1970 I think so with the right treatment it can last.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2026
     
    Interesting, Will. And I always worried about even stainless steel screws in contact with aluminium.
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