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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020 edited
     
    Can anybody suggest any devices capable of moving bulk bags? (Specifically these weigh 875 kg)

    I'm getting six bags of soil, which will be delivered at the top of our drive I expect and need to finish up in the back garden. I'd prefer to make six trips than dig all the soil out of the bags into a wheelbarrow, wheel it round the back and tip it out, rinse and repeat a few hundred times.

    Are there any suitable mechanical trolley devices? Or maybe power-operated small vehicles that I can hire?
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    What is the available access and gradient?
    It would probably only be about 12 or so trips with a wheel barrow per bag so 3 mates and 2 wheelbarrows (along with beer and pizza) should see the job done fairly quickly
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020
     
    If they are the usual dumpy bags you'll need something to lift them with, an arm and sling into the handles, rather than a trolley unless the delivery driver will hang around long enough for you to move them individually with a hired dumper.
    or:-
    Look for Small Telehandlers, Your local plant hire will have most likely them. They'll probably come with operator, and if you're lucky you'll get it for just 1/2 day plus delivery. A local farmer may have one too for a cash backhander although perhaps bigger than you can accommodate on your driveway.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020 edited
     
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020
     
    Is the drive on a slope up or down. Is it a smooth surface. Many years ago I built a brick drive and the surface was hardcore when the bricks were delivered. I bought some OSB laid it on the hardcore and borrowed a pallet truck to move the bricks. If your drive is suitable get some pallets and get the waggon to drop the bags on the pallets then you can move them.
    I am now on a smallholding and have forks on the 3 point linkage of an old tractor and have everything delivered put on a pallet. Is there a neighbouring farm who could move them for you?. A building site nearby with handling equipment slip driver a few notes job done. Regardless of how you eventually handle them get them dropped on a pallet makes it easier that way whichever you end up handling them. Be careful with heavy vehicles on your drive you may damage it.As PIH says a few mates will do, anyone owe you favours, neighbours?
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    Posted By: owlmanA local farmer
    This. Or a farm contractor. November-January are good times to ask.

    How are you going to spread it out when you get it there?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020
     
    Access is pretty level. Along the drive, which is gravel so is passable by wheelbarrow but not ideal. Then along a self-binding gravel path, which is a better surface. That's 1100 wide with a 900 wide gate part way along. There's a longer alternative around the other side of the house, which is on grass and has a 2000 wide gate.

    I'm planning to do the job myself if possible.

    I hadn't considered pallets as an idea. That may work, thanks David. They won't go through the 900 gate but I can go the long way with a pallet truck. I have various sheets of stuff I can put down as a rolling road.

    If it was in a barrow, I could just tip it out at the far end, but from the bag I'll have to dig/scrape it out. Use the spade and a rake to level it.
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    Sounds like access is restricted for machinery and you're planning to dig it all anyway, to get it out of the tonne bags.
    Hire a power wheelbarrow, dig it out of the bags into the power barrow, tip it wherever you need it.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenSounds like access is restricted for machinery and you're planning to dig it all anyway, to get it out of the tonne bags.
    Hire a power wheelbarrow, dig it out of the bags into the power barrow, tip it wherever you need it.

    Yep, that sounds like a sensible alternative. A power barrow/mini dumper is somewhat more expensive to hire than a pallet truck, so it's plan B. Thanks.
    • CommentAuthorvord
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020
     
    I use an engine hoist for moving tonne bags.
    • CommentAuthorLF
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020
     
    All terrain pallet truck but will not go through 900mm
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2020 edited
     
    As long as you can do it over a few days and you don't overfill the barrow it's not that bad a job with a normal barrow.

    MOT on the other hand is a @#$@#@.
    • CommentAuthorCliff Pope
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2020
     
    Get them offloaded onto pallets. Pick the kind that have sort of sledge runners underneath rather than a full square structure, and then drag the pallets with a small tractor or even a car. For awkward bits use a long rope and a pulley so that the vehicle doesn't have to go in front - it could stay on the road with a long enough rope?

    Don't try and drag the bag straight on the ground - done that !
    • CommentAuthorHollyBush
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2020
     
    A low tech option is onto pallets and put some rollers or round logs under and roll.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2020
     
    75 mm round fence post are ideal need 4 use a long crowbar to lever up the pallet to get the post under you may need some help to get it moving.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2020
     
    Posted By: HollyBushput some rollers or round logs under and roll

    I've found that sliding along wet scaffold boards is much easier than attempting to use rollers, which never seem to roll properly...
    • CommentAuthorHollyBush
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2020
     
    Posted By: Mike1sliding along wet scaffold boards is much easier


    Absolutely agree with you - good shout!
    Forgot I moved a couple of sheds that way a few years back, and over ground rollers would never have helped - but a couple of strong boards can be put across uneven ground, and amazingly easier to lever heavy awkward objects over them.
    • CommentAuthormikael
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2020
     
    I know someone who deals in shipping containers but only has a small yard. He gets them delivered to the entrance onto three lengths of scaffold tubes used as rollers. He is a strong chap, but he moves whole (empty) containers simply by pushing them and moving the tubes to the front as he goes.

    In this instance you could get the bags delivered on sturdy pallets, lay down some scaffold boards, use three small lengths of scaffold tube per pallet and roll the pallets along?
    • CommentAuthormikael
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2020 edited
     
    Posted By: Mike1
    Posted By: HollyBushput some rollers or round logs under and roll

    I've found that sliding along wet scaffold boards is much easier than attempting to use rollers, which never seem to roll properly...


    You could go one step further. Get some used scaffold boards and then oil them with a roller using cheap veg oil from the supermarket. I used such boards for shuttering concrete and when they had been finished with, they were slippery as an eel when they got wet!
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2020 edited
     
    No chance a crane offload over fence into back garden?

    Anyone nearby got a ride on mover and trailer?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2020
     
    Posted By: CWattersNo chance a crane offload over fence into back garden?

    The delivery is specifcally by pallett lorry with pallett truck offload. To reach the back garden would involve a farmer with a telehandler and some very complicated negotiating :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorSimonD
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2020 edited
     
    Have a look at the Hooka pick and carry crane, sounds ideal for your puposes https://hookup-solutions.com/

    Last I spoke to the company these were about 500 per week hire, plus delivery of course.

    For my day to day site transport needs, I bought a Grillo dumper http://www.grilloagrigarden.co.uk/d406 which has worked really well. Will transport the contents of a bulk bag in 2 to three trips, but you do have to use a spade :wink: . A couple of times, I've had a partial bulk bag about half full and lifted it onto the dumper with my digger.

    HTH
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2020
     
    Thanks, Simon. The Hooka looks like exactly what I need, but sounds too expensive. I could hire a power barrow, but maybe I'll try my normal wheelbarrow first. The pallet truck has turned out to be NBG. They were delivered using an electric pallet truck.
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    Posted By: djhThey were delivered using an electric pallet truck.

    Over here you would have made sure the route was smooth enough and slipped the delivery guys a few quid and got then to move them !!
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2020
     
    Posted By: Peter_in_HungaryOver here you would have made sure the route was smooth enough

    Good idea but not practical. And while the guy was friendly enough, I suspect that the way their deliveries are managed and timed these days means he wouldn't have been able to take the time even if he wanted.
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2020
     
    Before now I've used a hi-lift dump truck with a pair of scaffolding bars jammed into the bucket to form rudimentary forks, for picking up and moving tonne bags.. It'd be better if you can get the company to supply twice the number of bags half filled, but a 1t machine should be able to lift 850kg of soil sufficiently.. 3t machine no problem..
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2020
     
    Posted By: cjarda 1t machine should be able to lift 850kg of soil sufficiently.

    The hire place I got the pallet truck from said it couldn't in real life, whatever it says on paper. He said they're working on a tracked mobile crane, which I take to be something like the Hooka but presumably they're trying to get round the patent(s).
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