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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2024 edited
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/20/defra-officials-buried-analysis-dire-financial-prospects-hill-farmers-brexit-faming-payments-scheme

    This is an issue that's been discussed with some heat, on GBF. One that's been in local news, for me here on Dartmoor. A dilemma that for instance Monbiot explored with great but divided sympathy in his book Feral. Seems to me insoluble without harm to someone.

    But fact is, for instance Dartmoor, far from its National Park statutory mission "To conserve and enhance the natural beauty, wildlife and cultural heritage of the area" is in fact a monoculture ecological desert, like most of British uplands, due to centuries of ever-intensifying upland farming. Namely, far too many sheep, which eat every glimmer of 'natural' vegetation before it starts. A whole rich traditional way of life is built on this.

    Defra's analysis merely exposed the obvious. Some experience shows that an alternative economy, with better incomes and employing more people, can be developed, which allows uplands to regenerate - but it won't be 'farming'.

    Discuss.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2024
     
    The counter argument apparently is:
    This lack of transparency understandably makes this vulnerable group of farmers worried,” Aglionby said.

    β€œIn the uplands there is a huge potential to deliver more for nature and climate adaptation while securing future livelihoods.
    but there's no hint of what this "huge potential" actually is.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2024
     
    Plenty of ideas out there about that - in a word (over-crudely), 'eco-tourism' which in various re-wilding schemes has brought better incomes and more jobs than the marginal farming it (largely) replaces. But strong traditional social systems scorn that kind of 'improvement' of their lot - feel a right to not be upended, any more than mining communities welcome new jobs in garden centres etc.
    • CommentAuthorcjard
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2024 edited
     
    "Discuss"

    Incidentally, I'm not sure that this instruction is a required sign off; this being a discussion forum your invitation is implicit and it thus comes across as peremptory and personally minds me to the contra! :smile:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2024
     
    Sorry - was tongue-in-cheek, little joke, satirising pompous exam questions from the past. Other times I've similarly said 'what does the team think?' - another quote from the past.
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    Posted By: fostertomSome experience shows that an alternative economy, with better incomes and employing more people, can be developed, which allows uplands to regenerate - but it won't be 'farming'.


    Depends on your definition of 'farming' I would argue. As 'stewardship of the land' it absolutely could and should involve the same people with their embedded knowledge of the landscape and specialist skills. There are already some schemes in place that were originally intended to do exactly that.

    As ever, the success or otherwise always comes down to the implementation of these schemes, and whether lobbying and loopholes end up creating perverse incentives and unintended consequences. (e.g. RHI payments for chicken farms)

    Politically it is hard to justify paying people not to do things (which is what rewilding can sometimes be framed as), but even in these scenarios there is still plenty to do. Just as there is with maintaining environmental exclusion zones in threatened environments and habitats elsewhere (e.g. savannah, amazon rainforest etc.).
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