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  1.  
    I've had some really helpful advice on insulating the crawlspace, thanks.

    Stepping back, I realised the relative humidity in there is too high, and that seems to be the first thing to solve. It's 80% today (the ground floor is around 40%, first floor 20-30%).

    It's a suspended timber floor, and the base of the crawlspace is old concrete (1930s house) - no damp proofing. Two external walls are cavity walls, one is solid brick and stone. There are two good air vents on the back, a good one on the side, a good enough one and a weak one on the front (the higher ground where the Apr brick is squashed up against the joists and at external ground level, so just a single air brick with reduced flow on the inside).

    The air bricks were improved in February, and a few cubic metres of problematic damp soil two weeks ago

    I'd appreciate thoughts on 1. the acceptable level of humidity in this context
    2. Whether I might need to just wait a few months for the work to have it's full effect (and if it's worth trying to speed it up with a fan or dehumidifier)
    3. Once it's settled to its new normal, how do I work out whether to focus on further ventilation or a VCL layer on the ground as my next step?

    Thanks
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2025 edited
     
    I have been trying not to say this but you pushed. The partial vapour pressure of moisture in the air in the house will generally be higher than it is in the air in the crawl space and it will be even lower in any air trapped in the soil under the crawl space. This means that water vapour is trying to move from the house into the crawl space and then into the air into the soil. No air needs to move. Water molecules move through the air.

    Relative humidity readings can be confusing and on hot days like today will drop, which is why I like using partial vapour pressures.

    I am concerned that you report wet soil and reckon there is a plumbing leak somewhere,
  2.  
    Mould & fungi spores germinate around 70+% relative humidity, e.g. dry rot. I assume pine/spruce/fir joists? which dry rot loves. High humidity over time is problematic; sort out the leak, then monitor the humidity. It would even be worth measuring the actual humidity in your joists, dry rot starts at around 25% from memory.
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    Thank you both. I've hunted around and there's no sign of a leak anywhere.

    The moisture in the walls is consistently reading 21-23% all round. The concrete floor is reading 33% everywhere (as that's the max that my moisture meter reads). I'm going to work on sealing the floorboards around the edges as there are some big gaps and use an incense stick to see if I can discover anything about airflow (and then probably an anemometer).

    The crawlspace had multiple issues and was poorly ventilated for decades, so I am wondering whether at least some of the issue is that it just takes a long time to dry all that damp brick, stone and concrete out.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2025 edited
     
    Posted By: DannySheffielduse an incense stick to see if I can discover anything about airflow (and then probably an anemometer)
    Smoke is about the best way to see draughts or other air movement. An anemometer won't show much unless you can feel the breeze on your skin I think.

    Things can take a long time to dry out, yes. You could try using a fan heater (or even just a fan) to see if you can get a bit of the surface to dry faster so you can see that's what the problem is for sure.

    edit to ask: what does your moisture meter say about the joists?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2025
     
    How are you measuring the moisture content?
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    Posted By: djh
    Posted By: DannySheffielduse an incense stick to see if I can discover anything about airflow (and then probably an anemometer)
    Smoke is about the best way to see draughts or other air movement. An anemometer won't show much unless you can feel the breeze on your skin I think.

    Things can take a long time to dry out, yes. You could try using a fan heater (or even just a fan) to see if you can get a bit of the surface to dry faster so you can see that's what the problem is for sure.

    edit to ask: what does your moisture meter say about the joists?


    The smoke showed very little movement. I was thinking of getting a thermal anemometer which are more sensitive than the vane type, but maybe that's an unnecessary degree of accuracy as if the smoke isn't showing a clear direction of flow, it's clearly too low anyway?

    The more I think about it, the more it feels like a ventilation issue. The number of airbricks is up to building regs, but on the front and side of the house (where the prevailing wind comes from) the two double and one single airbrick are all right at the top of the crawlspace as the ground is high there, and two of them are partially behind joists, not blocked but restricted, and too close to get a telescopic vent in.

    I've been thinking about using something like an Airtitan T8 crawlspace ventilator to pull the air through to a lower point on the back wall (using a smart plug connected to weather station data so I only pull extra air through when it's less humid outside than inside).

    I'll check the moisture in the joists out today.
  5.  
    Posted By: tonyHow are you measuring the moisture content?


    A brennenstuhl moisture meter
  6.  
    I measured the moisture in the floor joists and it was 15-18% across the whole crawlspace. My understanding is that's pushing it, but manageable and I assume will drop once the wider humidity issue is addressed.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2025
     
    Posted By: DannySheffieldI've been thinking about using something like an Airtitan T8 crawlspace ventilator to pull the air through to a lower point on the back wall (using a smart plug connected to weather station data so I only pull extra air through when it's less humid outside than inside).
    Interesting gadget that I hadn't heard of before. I see a considerable difference in price between the manufacturer and Amazon (Amazon much higher!) so there's something I don't understand there. Be careful if using humidity values. You need absolute humidity not the relative humidity (RH) that is usually measured!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2025
     
    I don’t trust damp meters that use electrical resistance as a proxy for damp, so many ways for them to get confused.
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