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    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2025 edited
     
    What ho one and all,

    Although I have mains connected smoke / heat alarms fitted to the house, I decided to install a regular, battery operate one at a second high point; it is effective in the dressing room' with access to the bathroom, but is above a void to the f/f space below.

    It has been there for over ten years, regularly tested and the battery replaced.

    Last night, after having had a bath and five minutes in bed, the alarm activated for no reason. I replaced the battery this morning and again, just now, following my wife washing her hair, it has again, activated. the copy on the rear does state humidity of above 93% but that is certainly not the case.

    What would be causing it to activate? Does it mean a replacement?

    Thanks and toodle pip
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2025
     
    Posted By: Rexthe copy on the rear dos state humidity of above 93% but that is certainly not the case.
    How do you know? Have you actually measured it with a logging humidity meter situated next to the smoke (or is it heat?) alarm?
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2025
     
    At 10 years they're likely past their expiry date and want binning. Some of the ones we've had in the past have a date sticker on the back so maybe check yours
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    If you built the house 10 years ago, then it's time to replace all of the smoke alarms, even the ones that still appear to work when you test them.

    They're not expensive and the newer ones detect carbon monoxide and heat as well as smoke, and interlink so that they all sound the alarm if any one detects fire.

    https://nfcc.org.uk/nfcc-reminds-people-to-replace-smoke-alarms-every-10-years/
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2025
     
    Thanks. Was not fully aware of the 'sell by date.'

    Will replace this one. And will check the mains versions.

    In replacing the mains, obviously, one has to buy the complete unit but is it necessary to do a rewire or does the alarm unit just 'plug' into the base with the wiring in place?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2025
     
    Posted By: RexIn replacing the mains, obviously, one has to buy the complete unit but is it necessary to do a rewire or does the alarm unit just 'plug' into the base with the wiring in place?
    Dunno. I see the units in my house are no longer available but have been replaced by very similar, presumably 'better', models. Hopefully that means they are plug-compatible but the truth will come when I actually try to replace them in a few months time if I'm to believe the dates printed on them.

    One thing I wish I'd done when we built was install a misting sprinkler system. They were a bit new then as I remember :(
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2025
     
    Rex- aico easyfits have been pretty much the go to brand for over 20 years, if that’s what you have , as the name suggests it’s a doddle to put new alarms on theexisting bases. However- the old bases will likely have discoloured over time, so not 7nusual for people to change the bases as well. There’s also a wireless extension option, so you could have your extra alarm linked to the wired system. Bit spendy to start off but over 10 years not too bad.
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2025
     
    Thanks all. My alarms are all Kidde, and having found their phone number today, tried to call but each time, it automatically cuts off after about two seconds!!!!

    I heard what you are saying about the bases discolouring. I did have a look today and the kitchen one has a plug so will assume that nay new version will have a compatible plug and not need any re-wiring. Hopefully, just screw and go.

    Not going to go wireless, don't really trust it.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2025
     
    Posted By: RexNot going to go wireless, don't really trust it.
    I agree; certainly for something that needs to work in all conceivable circumstances!

    We have Aico, and IIRC they use a 4-wire interconnection so maybe the cable would be reusable if I ever had to change brands.
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2025
     
    When I changed ours the old pugs and bases didn't match the new ones but it was straight forward to swap the wiring over......once you've knocked the supply off!!
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2025
     
    Is it a function of getting older that nothing is easy. Why would they change the base? Since the existing bases are screwed into plasterboard, while not a big job, just some more unnecessary holes in a flimsy material. Can only hope that the mains connections are the same, but that is unlikely!

    Have been investigating the Kidde range (that is what I have) and of the three different models currently installed, all now have different numbers or been discontinued. But seems that in reality, I only have two types installed, smoke and a combo smoke/heat in the kitchen.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2025
     
    Posted By: RexI only have two types installed, smoke and a combo smoke/heat in the kitchen.
    We have three types - optical smoke alarms in the halls, an ionisation smoke alarm in the living room and a heat alarm in the kitchen. The ionisation alarm seems to have been replaced in the product range by the optical alarm nowadays. I thought the reason for a heat alarm in the kitchen is that smoke alarms are too sensitive and can go off if you burn the toast or whatever minor mishap? So I'm surprised there's even such a thing as a smoke and heat alarm!
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2025 edited
     
    Posted By: RexNot going to go wireless, don't really trust it.
    Through habit I was intending to fit wired alarms on my current project in France, but there are none available here - all the domestic ones are battery only.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2025
     
    Building regs require wired interconnects here.
    • CommentAuthorArtiglio
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2025
     
    Ionisation smoke alarms have been phased out as they had a radiation source in them, which has implications in terms of disposal and some bright spark suggested that it would be possible for a dirty bomb to be constructed using those spurces from umpteen hundred alarms.

    Wireless interconnected alarms are currently acceptable as retrofit so long as they have a built in tamper proof sealed battery. I’d prefer not to use them but the trunking runs needed to extend circuits under the post grenfell rules make the radiolink devices much more sensible.

    In the Aico range you have the live and neutral supply, along with the interlink conductor. They have a terminal for the earth but it does nothing for the system, just somewhere to terminate the earth.
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