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    • CommentAuthorbig_mike
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2025
     
    Hi all,

    I'm retrofitting a plastic telescopic underfloor vent (periscope type) through a cavity wall with suspended timber floor. The outer leaf has a standard airbrick opening, but the inner leaf (regular blockwork) has a much larger opening, roughly double the airbrick size.

    The cavity contains what looks like shredded fibre or textile insulation, possibly recycled fabric. A surveyor reckons it was installed in the 1980s or 1990s, judging by the drill pattern in the external brickwork. It’s soft, compacted, and definitely not mineral wool or foam.

    I'm also installing underfloor insulation beneath the joists, so I’m using the vent duct to drop air below that layer into the floor void.

    What I need to do:
    Fit a cavity closer of some sort to seal around the duct and reinstate the cavity detail

    Avoid disturbing too much of the insulation if possible

    Maintain air path for ventilation and prevent cold bridging or damp

    Seal around the duct on the inner face of the blockwork

    Questions:
    Best method for fitting a cavity closer in this kind of retrofit situation?

    Any recommended closers that can be easily notched to fit around the vent duct?

    Should I trim back or compress the insulation around the opening, or just leave it in place?

    What's the preferred method for sealing the vent where it passes through the inner blockwork? (e.g. expanding foam, fire-rated mastic, etc.)

    Do I need to reinstate a DPC layer over or behind the closer?

    it doesn’t need to look great, just needs to be functional, airtight, and compliant. Any tips, product suggestions, or photos from similar jobs would be much appreciated.

    Cheers!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 26th 2025
     
    Is it a 65 x 215 airbrick? Is there a clay liner built into the inner skin which crosses the cavity too?
    • CommentAuthormattp
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2025
     
    I am by no means an expert, but I can share what I did and others may comment (and possibly use it as an example of what not to do!).

    With my house, I retrofitted plastic telescopic sleeves to existing air bricks (and added an air brick in one location). I have single brick-sized ceramic air bricks on the outer wall and then internally there was just a brick missing somewhere close-ish to the air brick. Luckily the periscopic sleeves I bought fitted snugly into the back of the air bricks. Internally I removed enough bricks to fit the periscopes and then put all the bricks back, reinstating the DPC. Strictly I am not sure whether it is necessary to get an air tight seal with the internal wall, since it will be outside of the heated part of the house, but mine are sealed with mortar.

    My cavities are filled with shredded glass fibre. It was hard to do this without disturbing it, but what did fall out I collected in a bag and stuffed back in as best as I could when I was putting the bricks back. In some places I shoved in 1 m long gutter brushes (sold for stopping your gutters fill with moss) to stop any more falling down.

    I'll attach a couple of photos.
      IMG20241012182245.jpg
    • CommentAuthormattp
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2025 edited
     
    The periscope in place. With hindsight I should have removed more bricks and had the opening lower, but too late now.
      IMG20241012204059.jpg
    • CommentAuthormattp
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2025
     
    the finished job.
      IMG20241012232459.jpg
    • CommentAuthorbig_mike
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2025
     
    Cheers Matt,

    Thanks for all the detail you’ve shared, it’s helped me work out what I’m actually looking at!

    After a closer inspection I realised the “mystery fluff” in my opening is just gutter-brushes that someone has shoved into the cavity (I had no idea people did that). I’ll post a few photos when the light’s better, but here’s what I’ve got:

    Outer leaf: brick

    Inner leaf: lightweight block, so the hole on the room side is much larger, about 320 mm Ă— 100 mm Ă— 100 mm deep.

    Everything sits below the DPC, which keeps things simpler.

    I tried a generic plastic telescopic sleeve from Screwfix, but it’s nowhere near deep enough to reach the air-brick. Plan B is to pick up a sleeve with the right cavity depth and then reduce the block-side opening with a bit of brickwork so the whole lot fits snugly.

    appreciate the pointers so far!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2025
     
    The brushes were often fitted to retain fiberous insulation, more typically in the cavity between pairs of semis etc
    • CommentAuthorbig_mike
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2025
     
    Thanks Tony, thanks for your previous question (missed it earlier) and to answer your question no, there is no clay liner.
    • CommentAuthormattp
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2025
     
    If you need to cover a height difference or a cavity depth greater than the periscope allows (I'm not sure which it is), then you could maybe improvise an adaptation to extend the periscope. Alternatively, Toolstation supply an extension sleeve for their periscope vent to extend the vertical distance.
    • CommentAuthorbig_mike
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2025
     
    The airbrick seems 3"x9", which seems to be reasonably standard (so used to thinking in mm that It never occurred to look at the other edge of the tape) but I need a 160mm to clear the cavity and the inner leaf of blocks, which seems unusual but eminently doable.
    • CommentAuthorbig_mike
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2025
     
    Ahh, I've been rather dense, only just realised the main body needs to sit in the cavity! I can be slow sometimes!
    • CommentAuthorj.neff
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2025 edited
     
    I may have a solution for you that I used myself in a similar situation:
    https://timloc.co.uk/products/1201-telescopic-underfloor-vent-accessories/

    The only problem are the minimum order quantities in which the parts are usually available.
    So I have some 10 of "1201ABGR - Air brick front in grey" left over, currently offered here on eBay:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266736345216

    Depending on how I proceed with my retrofit, I may also have some 20 of "1203 – Horizontal Front Extension Sleeve" left over that I meant to use but may not need now, though it may be a wee while before I can make a decision about this.

    Just get in touch if any of this is of interest. No need to buy from me through eBay, I can send you what you need and I can spare.

    By the way, I knocked out the existing air bricks in the outer wall leaf and replaced them with the above air brick front as the cross-sectional area available for air flow was much greater than in the original air brick. It won't spoil the looks of the facade as the air bricks will eventually end up behind a rain screen.
    If you don't want to do this, I am sure you could just secure the horizontal vent section against the inner face of the existing air brick. Just need to check sizes match reasonably well.

    I have only got as far as installing the new vents just after I had the failed blowing wool (glass wool beads from about 35+ years ago) replaced with new cavity wall insulation (Knauf SupaFil40 blowing wool again but installed properly this time). I will add external wall insulation (wood fibre) and rain screen. For this I need to extend the air vents, thus have only spray-foamed them in for now so that I can pull them out and extend once the EWI is installed. See a couple of photos below.
    I will write more about this in a new thread as I hope to get some insights from some of the experts on this forum.
      2024-03-18 10-10-30 - img_5746 sm.jpg
    • CommentAuthorj.neff
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2025
     
    Above: looking through the cavity wall from the outside with brick outer leaf and (fortunately not "R"einforced and now failing :)) AAC block inner leaf.

    Below: the assembled crawl space vent.
      2024-03-21 09-48-40 - img_5826 sm.jpg
    • CommentAuthorj.neff
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2025
     
    Below: the vent brick temporarily sealed with spray foam.
      2024-03-24 18-37-08 - img_5912 sm.jpg
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