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    Is the damp inside on all the affected walls or just in one place?
    Is there damp inside both properties or just one?
    Could it be a terrible coincidence? e.g. a leak inside that coincides unluckily with the efflorescence on the outside?

    Having said that, the window sill is very green. It suggests very much that the gutters are overflowing down the walls. I have a pvc window sill on a north-facing flat-roofed bathroom that rarely gets cleaned (even though it is single storey so is at ground level!) and it's not as green as that. It did grow some moss at the ends though.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2026
     
    Posted By: djhAnd effluorescense on the outside doesn't account for damp inside.
    Oh, I think it does. Efflorescence requires a steady supply of water into the brick (slips), before same can be steadily drawn to the surface. Maybe just impinging rain water, uniform but manifesting as efflorescence only where the brick (slips) is salt-laden. Internal damp implies that the water supply is pretty much a flood, into both masonry leaves and the EWI zone, coming from top down.
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    The cavity in the wall is (presumably) a continuous/connected space across each face of the building but (presumably) there are fire barriers dividing the cavity where the two semis meet

    So the cavity can be wet on one property or elevation and dry on the adjoining one? Hence the efflorescence one side and not the other.

    Question whether the cavities are still open and ventilated and acting as safe drainage planes as originally built, or whether they are filled/blocked, on each elevation?

    If (some of) the cavities are filled and their weep holes blocked and they have been covered with impervious brick/cement, then there's nowhere for moisture to escape once it gets in. Eg if it gets in from dubious gutter detail, or from driving rain or humid internal air.

    There are some parts of the country where cavities should not be filled because of driving rain.
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2026
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenThere are some parts of the country where cavities should not be filled because of driving rain.


    Totally agree. There have been much publicised horrendous problems here in North Wales. When we were doing our build and looking for a brickie I went to see a short listed one on a job. He was almost up to the eaves with a cavity wall and when I asked why no insulation he said it was going to be blown in after construction. I passed this by our BCO and he said it although it would be an approved filling he would advise against it. The house we went to see was in an exposed area and I sometimes wonder how it faired.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2026 edited
     
    The great thing about EWI is that it's been found, for over half a century in N Europe, and a bit less in UK, to be extremely reliable and problem-free, in fact elegantly solving typical other housing problems like mould, penetrating damp.

    It takes a magnificent effort to mess it up, as in cheapskate schemes in UK, govt funded in a way custom designed to attract cowboy profiteers without any quality control, such as we see here, to create a body of typical problems and a bad reputation (just like with heat pumps) in the media/public mind.
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    There's a big distinction (at least in building regs) between impervious render that sheds rain, versus a masonry finish with recessed mortar joints


    The English building regs AD C have a map that also covers Scotland and Wales

    The high risk zone 4 is West Scotland, Cumbria, N and W Wales, Devon+Cornwall

    The low risk zone 1 is from London up to York and Norwich

    Full fill cavity with recessed-mortar-joint finish is allowed only in Zone 1 but not Zones 2-4

    Full fill cavity with render finish is allowed anywhere - but not zone 4 with narrow cavities or injected foam

    Other fills and finishes, and other zones, have intermediate rules


    Isn't clear how this applies to brick slips on EWI on a filled cavity.

    In the OP's case we don't know if rain is getting into the cavity from the top or the outside or inside so might not be relevant to them.


    ETA agree with Tom's comment about cowboys ruining the funding schemes due to abysmal oversight- scandalous - the problems often with dodgy eaves details. Was the OP's building done by one of those schemes, redress may be available?
    • CommentAuthorrevor
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2026
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenFull fill cavity with render finish is allowed anywhere - but not zone 4 with narrow cavities or injected foam


    Here in Anglesey (Zone 4) a rendered cavity wall must have a 50 mm gap between the outer wall and the insulation. It is also permissible for there to be no weep holes over lintels. If it is a brick finish outer wall the gap should be 75mm.

    Posted By: WillInAberdeenIsn't clear how this applies to brick slips on EWI on a filled cavity.


    Probably a much greater risk of penetration of water into EWI than a full brick. (100mm v's a 10mm slip or thereabouts). Instinctively I do not think brick slips are a good idea over EWI even though the subject is covered in some depth in Pearson’s book External Wall Insulation as a suitable cladding. Recessed pointing is only recommended on the thicker slips and the pointing to be a specialised waterproof coloured mortar..
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    Relevant to the discussion perhaps is what type of EWI is on the wall? The usual EPS or something else.

    If it is EPS I would be very surprised if any penetrating rain that got through the brick slips actually got into the EPS to cause trouble.
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    By the same token, if the EWI were impermeable then water wouldn't be getting out through it to cause the efflorescence. I guess there are joints between sheets of insulation, even if the material is waterproof..

    Mikee said on the previous page that its unknown what material the EWI is or whether the cavity is filled so maybe those are the next things to find out, drill a hole.
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    Posted By: WillInAberdeenMikee said on the previous page that its unknown what material the EWI is or whether the cavity is filled so maybe those are the next things to find out, drill a hole.

    If the cavity isn't (properly) filled then the chances are that much of the advantage of EWI would be negated.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2026
     
    Posted By: Peter_in_HungaryIf the cavity isn't (properly) filled then the chances are that much of the advantage of EWI would be negated.
    So everyone says, but I'm not so sure. Is only true if cold outside air is able to enter the cavity, through the EWI and through the outer skin, or at some place bypass both those, and blow around in the cavity.

    In a terrace or semi-detached, yes if neighbour's outer skin is un-EWI'd and stone cold, then their cold cavity will transmit its cold laterally into yours, inboard of the EWI, unless carefully blocked in some way. Is that the case here?
    • CommentAuthorphiledge
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2026
     
    Without a filled cavity isn't the warmth of the inner leaf going radiate into the cavity causing convection in the cavity with the warmed air rising into the eaves/loft??
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2026 edited
     
    Yes - the inner skin, cavity space and inner face of outer skin all become part of the internal environment of the house, only slightly below internal temp. Then, if the cavity is in fact open to a cold loft, then there will be convective exchange between them. But not if the loft is also part of the internal environment i.e. roof insulation at rafter level. And not if the cavity, though unfilled, is blocked from the loft. So, that fear is in fact a worst-case, which can be thought through and remedied, in fact should be a strategic consideration in where to place roof insulation - at loft floor level is usually a unconsidered cheapo way of doing it. Therefore saying that EWI is compromised by unfilled cavity, is too rule-of-thumb.
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    There are 1001 places where cold air can leak in and out of a cavity - round outsides of window frames, ground floor joist pockets, wherever plumbers and electricians have been 50 years ago!.

    This is almost by design because cavities are/were supposed to be drainage planes so needed a little ventilation. Without gaps, the cavity would fill up with water!

    If it were the interior then we'd go round covering those gaps with tape and membrane and plaster and then we'd do an air test to find where had been missed. Can't do that with a cavity.

    Yes definitely ideal to do roof insulation over rafters (not between or under) but a) tiny % of renovations do that (tiles off) and

    b) is the roof's airtight layer joined airtight onto an airtight layer over the outer leaf of the cavity that joins airtight forever onto outside of the window frames in a testable way?

    In the OPs case this is a bit academic as mortar joints are not airtight (between slips or underlying bricks) so air and water can escape from cavity. Hopefully any cavity insulation is not soaking wet
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2026 edited
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenround outsides of window frames
    One of the virtues of EWI - windows now seated/sealed in the insulation zone, not leaking direct into the cavity.
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenground floor joist pockets
    would be in the inner skin, not outer.

    We should go round pointing any cracks in the exterior face, esp in the render, if it's rendered, which if in gd condition qualifies as a full airtight layer - and any other holes like electrician's, or underfloor air vents etc. These can be comprehensively seen, on the outside. Then add the rendered EWI over that incl good rain-sealing around windows incl ends of/under subcills - should then be pretty airtight - otherwise where is the airtight layer when EWIing a cavity wall house? Yes, the plaster layer too, but that a much harder task, as that indeed is where the multiple penetrations are.

    Rafter level insulation can be done from the inside, if the extg tiles/slates aren't going to need re-laying in the near-foreseeable, and (big if) if the old non-permeable underslating felt is also undeteriorated (if there's been any roof-leaks history, then it isn't). Note, if insulated at rafter level, no need to maintain or improve eave-to-eave ventilation of the loft space (which has become part of the internal environment) - it can (should) be blocked, thus near-enough avoiding the traditional eaves-insulation-continuity problem.
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