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    • CommentAuthorChrisGT
    • CommentTime13 hours ago
     
    Hi, I have used 150mm EPS graphite 70 below ground in a plinth that will have EWI above. Its fixed with adhesive and a 4 part Baumit plinth render system and will have a french drain and gravel above. The BCO is saying I should have used XPS. Ive got a vague email FROM Baumit saying its likely to be ok that dosent seem to entirely satisfy them. I really dont want to have to remove it! I used EPS belwo ground on my present house. Any advice welcome.
  1.  
    Declaring an interest: we're Build4less, a building materials supplier.

    EPS below ground isn't wrong in itself. Insulated raft foundations and ICF basements use it all the time. The difference is the grade: those jobs use denser EPS, usually 100 to 200, and most render system makers specify XPS or a dedicated perimeter board for the plinth because it takes up less water and copes better with knocks and backfill pressure. EPS 70 is at the soft end, so that's probably what's bothering the BCO.

    I'd try to turn it into a risk discussion rather than a rip out. A few things that tend to help:

    Ask the BCO exactly what the concern is (water uptake, compressive strength, or simply not matching the system spec), because the answer is different for each.

    Go back to Baumit for a project specific letter rather than a general email, confirming their plinth system over EPS 70 graphite at your depth is acceptable, ideally referencing their system approval.

    Put a dimpled membrane over the rendered face below ground before the gravel goes back, so the board is protected and water runs straight down to the french drain.

    Send a section drawing showing the depth. If it's only a couple of hundred mm below finished ground in free draining gravel and never sits in water, that's a very different case from wet clay backfill.

    You could also run the U value with a worsened lambda to show it still performs even if the board picks up some moisture.
  2.  
    The most compelling study I have found follows an independent lab. examination of EPS and XPS both of which were in the ground for 15 years. Bottom line......EPS far out performs XPS primarily because any water that goes into the EPS can come out whereas any water going into the XPS stays there.

    If you show the BCO the following
    https://plastifab.wordpress.com/2019/08/13/the-great-debate-eps-vs-xps-for-below-grade-applications/
    and
    https://www.progressivefoam.com/wp-content/uploads/Tech-Bulletin-No-3-XPS-vs-EPS-H2O-Absorption-090916.pdf

    If you show the BCO the above that should assuage his/her fears about EPS below ground
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTime10 hours ago
     
    I have 400 mm of EPS 100 under our slab, which was specified by our structural engineer. Who specified yours?

    And yes, EPS is better underground than XPS. That's why it's used under railways and major road embankments.
    • CommentAuthorChrisGT
    • CommentTime2 hours ago
     
    Thanks for tgis advice. Hopefully this will keep her happy!
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