Green Building Forum - Counting Sun, 06 Sep 2026 21:59:51 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30210#Comment_30210 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30210#Comment_30210 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:06:05 +0100 tony
When I learnt to count it went 1, 2, 3 , 4 ,5 etc

Is it wasteful of time energy and paper to have a surpurfluous nought at the beginning?

The date used to be 6/4/87 now we have 06/04/08

WHY ALL THE O's ????]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30211#Comment_30211 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30211#Comment_30211 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:16:23 +0100 mrswhitecat Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30219#Comment_30219 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30219#Comment_30219 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:10:36 +0100 SimonH
It also looks tidier. But actually you've missed an Important point - it used to be Friday 14th August 2008.

So 14/08/08 is acutally less wasteful ;-)

God knows what went wrong in america. 08/14/08?? Either have the digits in increasing or decreasing order of precedence, why stick the months at the start?

Simon.]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30222#Comment_30222 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30222#Comment_30222 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:35:16 +0100 fostertom Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30239#Comment_30239 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30239#Comment_30239 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:02:00 +0100 tony

If we need prefixed meaningless zoros what about 0119? or 01066?]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30242#Comment_30242 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30242#Comment_30242 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:16:50 +0100 biffvernon Posted By: SimonH
God knows what went wrong in america. 08/14/08?? Maybe he was miffed when the Anno Domini was dropped.

Why are so few buildings finished off with a date stone? Do the builders and architects expect their works to be temporary?]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30244#Comment_30244 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30244#Comment_30244 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:23:11 +0100 stephendv Posted By: tonyWhat about 14/8/8 ? ----------- or if you must 14/8/08

Computer programmers from the year 2099 will be cursing you tony. ;)]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30247#Comment_30247 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30247#Comment_30247 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:42:22 +0100 tony ]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30251#Comment_30251 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30251#Comment_30251 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:13:07 +0100 Ed Davies
Also, it's easy to sort (e.g., in a directory listing of file names containing dates) or anywhere else where simple alphanumeric comparisons are used.

This is the only date format I use and have done so for about a decade. Whenever I see any other format I have to stop and think about the context to figure out what it means.

ISO 8601 or, equivalently, BS EN 28601.

Many older internet protocols (e.g., e-mail) have weird date formats but anything recent will almost certainly use RFC 3339 which defines a specific subset of ISO 8601.]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30253#Comment_30253 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30253#Comment_30253 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:23:48 +0100 tony

Then is 5/4/1904 any less ambiguous?]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30262#Comment_30262 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30262#Comment_30262 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:44:47 +0100 Ed Davies
What's this got to do with building, by the way?]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30275#Comment_30275 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30275#Comment_30275 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:36:30 +0100 TheDoctor
it's the local parochial grammar that even the teachers speak that is going to really p*ss me off when my daughter goes to school next year.

How the hell are children to learn how to speak and write grammatically correct English, when the teachers struggle with the concept?


Perhaps it is that i am a foreigner in these parts (an Englishman in Fife) but I pay my taxes to have my child taught to say:
"those ones over there" and not "they ones over there"
"i went to school today" and not "i've went to school"

etc.

regardless of how they are taught, teachers should speak correct English. Nothing wrong with accents and colloquial words and expressions, but grammar is a must.

I am already getting fired up for a fight at the school! What makes it difficult is that, by all accounts, the teachers are excellent in every other way imaginable.

yours

15/08/08
15/08/2008
15/8/08
15/8/8
8/15/8
08/15/08
08/15/2008
2008/08/15
15th August 2008
the 15th of August 2008
15th Aug 2008
Aug 15th 2008
Friday the fifteenth of August in the year two thousand and eight!]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30277#Comment_30277 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30277#Comment_30277 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:44:36 +0100 ludite ) YES!!!! I blame the teachers every time. Us parents, we ain't taking no blame fer nuffink.]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30281#Comment_30281 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30281#Comment_30281 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:29:41 +0100 TheDoctor

It is just depressing that all your hard work comes back undone after just four hours at nursery in the morning!

It does give children a fighting chance if the teachers have some level of education themselves, and are a little further than three pages ahead of them in the curriculum!]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30348#Comment_30348 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30348#Comment_30348 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:04:23 +0100 Ed Davies
Posted By: luditeWhat really bugs me is There, their, borrow and lend, saw and see, to,two,too


There are lots of word pairs like this which people abuse to irritate me, presumably deliberately. It's, its; effect, affect; advice, advise spring to mind in addition to Ludite's there, their and, I would add, they're.

However, the most relevant to this forum is kW and kWh. The first is power the second is energy. There are no other standard spellings and use of other cases is wrong and, sometimes, potentially confusing. kW/h is (almost) always wrong; at least I've never seen it used where it made any sense though it could be used for something like reporting the output of a PV panel factory. For shear "creativity", though, k/Wh takes some beating. I sniggered for a good ten minutes after seeing that the first time, though the author did at least get the case right.]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30350#Comment_30350 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30350#Comment_30350 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:20:02 +0100 Mike George Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30351#Comment_30351 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30351#Comment_30351 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:47:16 +0100 ali.gill Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30356#Comment_30356 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30356#Comment_30356 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:18:56 +0100 fostertom Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30359#Comment_30359 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30359#Comment_30359 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:44:07 +0100 Mike George Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30365#Comment_30365 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30365#Comment_30365 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:52:28 +0100 fostertom Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30376#Comment_30376 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30376#Comment_30376 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:14:49 +0100 ludite
The lend and borrow thing (correct my speech marks if necessary)

"Oi. Can I lend your spade 'coz I wanna dig up me potatoes?"

Should read as: "Excuse me kind sir, but please may I BORROW your digging implement to remove my tubers?"

If you GIVE something, you LEND it, and if you TAKE something you BORROW it. NOT the other way around.

Does my BL**DY head in that one does!!]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30492#Comment_30492 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30492#Comment_30492 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:36:56 +0100 TheDoctor Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30494#Comment_30494 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30494#Comment_30494 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:01:23 +0100 StuartB pure dead brilliant! member - it taks a lang spoon tae sup wi a fifer. It does have an upside!

Apologies to all viewers south of the border.]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30497#Comment_30497 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30497#Comment_30497 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:12:25 +0100 TheDoctor
two years working in a pub in Dundee many years ago was a baptism of fire, and can now understand most of you lot with ease. (although one of the bin men does leave me scratching my head!)]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30500#Comment_30500 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30500#Comment_30500 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:28:26 +0100 StuartB ]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30503#Comment_30503 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30503#Comment_30503 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:52:40 +0100 TheDoctor Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30519#Comment_30519 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30519#Comment_30519 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:02:58 +0100 fostertom Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30974#Comment_30974 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=30974#Comment_30974 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:12:12 +0100 tony
Thus -1 pluss three = -4]]> Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=31043#Comment_31043 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=31043#Comment_31043 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:15:53 +0100 TheDoctor Counting https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=31057#Comment_31057 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=2366&Focus=31057#Comment_31057 Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:08:05 +0100 tony