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    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009 edited
     
    Happy New Year! I was just thinking of upgrading the insulation in my loft. Now I do like the idea of sustainable insulation products, but value is also a consideration. B&Q have it on sale so I'd thought I'd compare the cost of the insulation. I am not sure if my Maths is correct or valid (please post and correct me, if not), but I thought the best comparison is the cost of what one square metre of 1 R-Value of insulation. If you know of other insulation options feel free to post their calculations.


    Space Combi-Roll Loft Insulation (T)100mm
    # Made using recycled glass bottles
    # R-value 2.25
    # Coverage: 13.89m²
    # £13.49

    £0.43 per 1m² of 1 R-value


    Knauf Space Blanket Loft Insulation (T)150mm
    # U-value 0.044
    # R-Value 3.40
    # Roll Area 1.97m²
    # £5.99

    £0.89 per 1m² of 1 R-value


    B&Q Recycled Plastic Loft Insulation (T)200mm
    # Made from 90% recycled plastic bottles
    # Totally itch free
    # R-value: 5.00
    # Coverage: 1.48m²
    # £7.49

    £1.01 per 1m² of 1 R-value


    B&Q Recycled Plastic Loft Insulation (T)150mm
    # Made from 90% recycled plastic bottles
    # Totally itch free
    # R-value: 3.75
    # 150mm thick
    # Coverage: 1.96m²
    # £7.49

    £1.01 per 1m² of 1 R-value
    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
     
    Found an Ebay seller selling ...

    Black Mountain LOFT SHEEPWOOL INSULATION ROLL 75mm
    # sheepwool insulation
    # 600 mm x 5 metres
    # 75 mm thick
    # Coverage: 3m²
    # claims U-Value of 0.4 at 100m, so i think that's ...
    # 1.875 R-Value
    # £20.99

    £3.73 per 1m² of 1 R-value
  1.  
    http://www.naturalinsulations.co.uk/index.php?location=home

    Guy , some good prices and selection of green insulation from this lot
    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
     
    Thanks James, from that link ...

    Steicoflex
    # ecological wood based insulation made from forest thinning and saw mill residues
    # 100mm thick
    # £6.83/m2 (+VAT)
    # R-value 2.6

    £3.02 per 1m² of 1 R-value
    • CommentAuthorBluemoon
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
     
    Good idea to work out the cost of insulating a loft to a certain standard. The price seems to vary considerably. I'm just putting down a layer of Micafil as the joists are all over the place and it is the best way to fill all the voids. At around £10 a bag it isn't cheap though.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009 edited
     
    deleted see info below
    • CommentAuthorvisitor
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
     
    Hi jamesingram,
    cost / area / R-value is the formula to compute money per square meter per unit of R-value.
    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
     
    R-values are created by dividing the thickness of the material (metres) by the k-value for a particular material. So for Warmcel100 we get an R-Value of 2.5 at 100mm. If you can get it at only £3.11/m² then it's just 3.11 divided by 2.5.

    Warmcel100
    #recycled newspaper
    #100mm thick (lose fill)
    #£3.11/m2 for 100mm thick
    #Thermal Conductivity 0.040W/mK. at bit better than standard mineral wall ,( 250mm=270mm glass fibre approx.)
    #R-value 2.5

    £1.24 per 1m² of 1 R-value
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009 edited
     
    good to see it come up at reasonable price against the lesser eco alternatives
    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009 edited
     
    Thermafleeceâ„¢
    # a natural insulation made into slabs from wool from British hill sheep
    # thermal conductivity 0.039W/mK.
    # R-Value 2.56 at 100mm
    # 100mm thick £9.36/m2 + VAT

    £4.21 per 1m² of 1 R-value
    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2009
     
    Homebase has standard glass even cheaper

    Space Combi Loft Insulation - 100mm
    # Made using recycled glass bottles
    # R-value 2.25
    # Coverage: 13.89m²
    # £9.99

    £0.32 per 1m² of 1 R-value
  2.  
    does the BQ figures includethe BOGOF deals on at the moment?
    cheers Jim
    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2009 edited
     
    Posted By: jamesingramdoes the BQ figures includethe BOGOF deals on at the moment?
    cheers Jim

    Yep I factored that into the calculations, so Homebase is better.
    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2009
     
    Assuming the Homebase Carbon Zero Loft Insulation offer is 8.01m² packs. It works out super cheap.


    Carbon Zero Loft Insulation - 170mm
    # Earthwool zero carbon loft insulation
    # R-value 3.85
    # Coverage: 8.01m²
    # £5

    £0.16 per 1m² of 1 R-value
    • CommentAuthorMikeRumney
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010
     
    Looking for comments on "behavioural" comparison between Wool and recyc plastic bottles .....

    Thought I'd revive this thread as the homebase/B&Q comparison ... (and the wool/recyc plastic comparison have changed a little, but basic relationships remain the same:
    Homebase 170mm plastic Earthwool 170mm by 1140mm by 7030mm (same as coverage given above)... £7 or £3.50 if you can get the BOGOF
    Homebase 200mm by 370mm by 4000mm: £6.93
    B&Q ditto: £8.38
    (Various wools: anything from about £5 to £9 per square metre of 100mm)
    • CommentAuthorMikeRumney
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010
     
    • CommentAuthordave2686
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2010
     
    Mike
    I went to Black Mountain Insulation factory a year ago, thye make recycled plastic insulation, sheep's wool insulation and now hemp insulation. I met the boss call andrew Evens, took time to answer all my questions, he said that Wool is great for buffering condensation compared to mineral wool. The recycled plastic he said was an honest product which wasn't as environmentally friendly but was better than consuming huge energy as per mineral wool. He thought the plastic/wool product wasn't very eco since it was difficult to recycel or compost, he said the B&Q product was just at a price point. Have looked up their product on theor site they complaints about thickness. Suggest speak to Evens and get his nput on comparisons, he may be biased to wool but at least its a start.
    • CommentAuthorMikeRumney
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2010
     
    Thanks Dave,
    I didn't realise they did plastic recyc as well ...
    I'll ask him about how I might include some plastic to get the cost down as we're already set up for a part-hemp part-wool order anyway.
    The plastic may not be recyclable but it it re-useable ... wondering what sort of energy goes into its production.

    The thickness might not be an issue as the 170mm is at the best price at the moment, even taking into account that it would effectively be 150mm as it would go into a 150mm gap ... not the sort of compression that would compromise how it works ... just enough to add some grip in a roof slope to work against a "slump" ....?

    My main question is really about how it compares to wool as a retainer and releaser of moisture, and if they're broadly similar in this respect, whether they can be used in combination.
    • CommentAuthordave2686
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2010
     
    mike
    I don't remember too much about their recycled plastic product I think you need to speak to Evens, he did explain for my house (Victorian) he woule recommend wool since it can absorb moisture he said the recycled plastic didn't have this capability. I installed the rpoduct myself, have to say it was the best product I have ever used, Evens told me to tear it across the roll with my hands rather than cut with scisssors, he promised it would tear perfectly, he was right took hardly anytime to install, good luck with your project. Always came out in a bad rash with the glass fibre took ages for it to go had to through my clothes out in the end cos no mater how much the wife washed them it was always there, will use wool on the next project, daughter is planning an kitchen extension!
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2010
     
    I have cold in-laws with little loft insulation in their bungalow. Has anyone carried out a cost comparison of relevant insulation over the past few weeks? If so please could you let me know where to go and get nice warm cheap rolls?
    • CommentAuthormartint
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2010
     
    best deals at the moment seem to be

    B&Q - 3 rolls (single pack) of 170mm for £3.12 - (and if you buy before Thursday evening, there's 15% off)
    Wickes - Knauf 150mm space blanket - buy 1 roll get three free (4 rolls for £13.98)
    • CommentAuthorTimber
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2010
     
    Npower have it for £3 a pack and if you are eligable you can get it for free! There is a calculator tool on their website.

    Delivery is free and you get a gimp suit and mask thown into the deal!

    The B&Q deal is also good. I got some at £3 a pack (containing 3 rolls) and at 200 mm thick. Bargin!

    Timber
    • CommentAuthorMegacycles
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2010
     
    £3 a roll here and its delivered free. Its rockwool so a bit better thermally than glasswool.

    http://www.npower.com/web/diyloftinsulation/index.htm
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2010
     
    Thanks everyone - will get them warmer without any more gas being pumped into the place.
    • CommentAuthorGavin_A
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2010
     
    homebase are doing 3 rolls of 100mm earthwool (recycled plastic) for a tenner. I bought 12 for a job and have 9 left, so beware that it goes a looooong way.




    *actually I do have a use for the extra, but I was still fairly amazed.
    • CommentAuthorJohn B
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2010
     
    B&Q works out a lot cheaper than nPower, but out of 5 branches listed when I enter Carmarthen on their store finder, it's not available in 4, and the other is out of stock!
  3.  
    To update.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2014 edited
     
    Posted By: visitorHi jamesingram,
    cost / area / R-value is the formula to compute money per square meter per unit of R-value.
  4.  
    R-values are created by dividing the thickness of the material (metres) by the k-value for a particular material. So for Warmcel100 we get an R-Value of 2.5 at 100mm. If you can get it at only £3.11/m² then it's just 3.11 divided by 2.5."
    UPDATED 25/2/14
    Warmcel100
    #recycled newspaper
    #100mm thick (lose fill)
    #£2/m2 for 100mm thick
    #Thermal Conductivity 0.040W/mK. at bit better than standard mineral wall ,( 250mm=270mm glass fibre approx.)
    #R-value 2.5

    £0.80 per 1m² of 1 R-value
  5.  
    Knauf earthwool 100mm
    # U-value 0.044
    # R-Value 2.25
    # Roll Area 13.89m²
    # £16.75 (online seller)

    £0.54 per 1m² of 1 R-value
   
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