I've just had a very fast and sensible-looking (not fully digested) response from ege.de...

Rgds

Damon

My triple glazing windows from Russell Timber Tech are due to arrive this week, either Thursday or Friday apparently. I could give an update once they've arrived if anyone is interested.

In case it is of any interest, I've written a few notes on my not-entirely-successful efforts to source 3G:

http://www.earth.org.uk/superinsulating-our-living-room.html#glazing

Rgds

Damon

Anyone know where we can satisfy all of the alphabet of acronyms. Timber certified to BS 644:2003, BS 7950, 3G, MoE, SBD, LTH, TWAS with 6.4mm laminated to glass certified to BS EN 356 2000 rating 2PA? Preferably opening out and not looking so, err, foreign. Roof windows too.

Tell me if I've missed any too.

Posted By: RachelWichallthought I would drop in to mention that we supply and install

I hope you've cleared that with Keith! Pushing your own products and services isn't generally allowed. And resurrecting old threads is generally considered impolite.

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<blockquote><cite>Posted By: fostertom</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: djh</cite>resurrecting old threads is generally considered impolite</blockquote>eh? I do it all the time - much hidden gold in old threads, deserving more airing.</blockquote>

Depends why it's done, in my view. Resurrecting an old thread to add some useful comment, or avoid starting another thread on the same topic is fine. Unfortunately, resurrecting old forum threads is a favourite ploy of spammers, who do it purely as a means to insert a gratuitous hyper link or two.

Another build-related forum I occasionally frequent is abused in this way fairly frequently, primarily because the moderator allows hyper links and URLs to be used willy-nilly in people's signatures, or thinly disguised as deceitful advertising links in the text of a meaningless message. Quite why advertisers feel it's a good idea to deceive people into looking at their website in this way is beyond me. I'd have thought most people would assume that if a company will deceive with it's advertising then it will most probably deceive in other ways too, making them an unwise choice to do business with.

Me too - expecting a delivery in 2wks - have used no-one else for a while, as unbeatable price/adequate quality, but am aware that they now have plenty of competition. Time to shop around again.

<blockquote><cite>Posted By: djh</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: JSHarris</cite>Quite why advertisers feel it's a good idea to deceive people into looking at their website in this way is beyond me.</blockquote>
They're trying to drive their websites up google's search rankings.</blockquote>

An interesting strategy! Still, it seems that trying to deceive the very people that might be potential customers has a lot of potential to backfire. I'd not ever do business with a company that chooses to advertise in this way, simply because of the deceitful way they choose to advertise. If they are prepared to deceive when advertising then one has to assume they will be prepared to deceive in other aspects of their business.

Just got my Albo windows, (IV92 profile frames, Triple glazed 4-18-4-18, mixture of spruce and oak plus all doors) and very impressed although I do not really have anything to compare them against. I think comparing windows using a price /m2 can be very deceiving.

I am so far very happy with them (just about to fit them) but they do take an effort to order and understand what they are asking (language problems) but they have a UK based agent again and an English speaker in the factory so that is helping. Lead times are longer than suggested so do not try and do it last minute!

I believe I have a much better product that the UK offerings at a lower price but YMMV.

(edit) Oh and the seals employed seem to be much better when I went and looked at the samples compared to those I looked at at one of the shows

That's right, let's all go abroad and buy our Eco friendly sustainable products, made in far off distant lands, while local uk companies are struggling through the recession,

Posted By: WMSThat's right, let's all go abroad and buy our Eco friendly sustainable products, made in far off distant lands, while local uk companies are struggling through the recession.

Yes but although you do do lovely Rehau UPVC windows, I could find no one who could do high spec wooden windows _and_ doors. Most of the ones I did look at were actually Scandinavian imports. All the UK manufactured ones were just not up to the job or way too expensive!

Posted By: DarylPWhy can the N Europeans produce better cheaper?

Might it be because they structure their society in a way where those at the top expect less of the slice of the pie in their pockets each week, investing in a long term future for themselve rather than the 'get rich quick at the expense of others' gang.
I get the sense Germany , Scandinvian companies expect to grow slower and invest more in r&d than UK companies. At the other end, wages are lower in Germany than the UK and people are generally fruggler (info. from Radio 4 program). It seems everyone is more inclined to have a little less of the meaningless consumables we demand in the UK and work towards, dare I say it , a more social (list) society.

Perhap I'm looking with rose tinted specs though ?

James,

your general take on the Germans is correct. They are much more reserved than we Brits have become in the last 30 years or so. They tend not to go for so much BLING but rather quality. I don't think they are a more socialist society. There are few, if any countries in the world that have such a vast and expensive benefit system as the UK.

Jonti

I recommend Ling Joinery in Penrith 0.7u fixed panel and 0.8u openings with Pilkington triple glazed units. Slightly cheaper than GBS but actually made in Penrith rather than Latvia/Poland. They EcoPassive windows are BRFC A rated. http://www.lingjoinery.co.uk/