Interesting article on RHI especially first comment where person certainly appears more dissolusioned than owlman above

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/21/renewable-heat-incentive-delay

Adwindrum- data can prove very useful at times, I attended meeting where then Energy Minister gave talk supporting experimental combustion proposal in the local community, he told obvious porky I stood up and challenged it,told to sit down and keep quiet by chair or leave. Went outside and retrieved document from car returned to meeting showing police I was not carrying weapon approached chair covering my mouth to show not saying anything and presented doc. The chair read it and gave it to minister who turned red but give him his due he admitted he was wrong (poorly advised). Unfortunately for me a tip-off came that my telephone was likely to be tapped because I spoke out against a minister in public !. I am sure they soon became bored. Take care.
Brian smile:

I note in Yorkshire Post Kirklees and Calderdale Councils are offering briefing 2nd Feb on what fuels can be burned in what kinds of stoves, for the benifit of " stove manufacturers, retailers,installers, architects, solid fuel suppliers and the public" The reason given is many wood burning and coal burning stoves are breaking the law.

She would be if she thought she was having to travel from Cornwall to Kirklees and Calderdale to attend the briefing.

Steamy Tea, Are you sure of the evidence here?

Cornish, Breton and the dying language of Galicia (North West Spain, not the Basque country) are close to Welsh and at least some of the people of Britain (Boudica et al) defeated by the Romans spoke a language very like it. The Lord's prayer in Cornish, Breton and Galician is clearly in a language close to Welsh and the Breton onion sellers of my youth could converse adequately with Welsh speakers. All four languages as well as Gaelic belong to the Indo-European group (like German, French, Italian, Latin) but Basque doesn't making it very unusual. I don't think anyone is sure of its origins or of the people who speak it.

However, it has to be said that languages and genes often follow very different paths through history. For example, the French speaking Normans were descended from Northern people of Germanic origin, like their Anglo-Saxon cousins, but who had adopted French some 200 hundred years before they invaded England and Sicily. If you know the evidence for a "genetic line" between the Cornish and Basque people (other than all of us Europeans being descended from very few individuals) it would be interesting.

Genetic links not scientific????!!!! Hmmmmm.

ST wrote - Trouble with history is that it is not very scientific as impossible to recreate in the lab

Not to mention the fact that history is usually written by the victors!!

P:S: what Damon said about Croydon - Yes

Peter

Limbo presumably has an Ikea too, just without a service desk or canteen or crèche, all the stuff is slightly broken or has a piece missing, there is no sense of design, and the queues are even longer.

Or am I thinking of MFI? %-P

Rgds

Damon

And history gets re-written again and again

As often as victory passes from one camp to the next!!!

Would be interesting to view any data from this if anyone has contacts, reading agenda raises concerns re UK burning proposals
http://www.bc.lung.ca/association_and_services/documents/2011AirQualityandHealthWorkshopProgram.pdf
Rgds
Brian

I see they have a break between 10:35 – 10:50, who is goign to take a picture of the sociable smokers huddles outside in the rain

Well, this lot has certainly been my road to Damascus!

Sat watching the Comedy show on ITV1 last night and the wife laughed out loud at something I'd completely missed. Didn't I think that was funny? she asked, what was I thinking about?

"Gas."

'What do you mean, gas?"

Told her I'd explain this morning and carried on watching a couple of eye-wateringly funny Japanese comics and some excellent music.

What I'd remembered was that when we moved in here ten years ago, although the woman we bought the place off had a coal fire, there was a gas pipe to one side of the hearth which I'd simply pushed below the level of the floorboard and hid, carpetting over. So we're looking into gas fires now. Makes sense, with a wife with COPD and me with sodding heart failure. The flu liner will cost an arm and a leg because it's a BIG chimney and VERY tall, but it's got to be worth the expense.

Thanks guys.

Posted By: suneBetter late than never - here is a response to the Biomass report.
Sorry to veer the thread back to topic! : )

Please read through the original report and then as you go look at each claim and decide whether it is 'always true' or only 'sometimes true'. A claim that is stated as 'always true' is of course shown to be false when it turns out to be 'sometimes true'.
The claims in the report are presented as 'always true' when in fact they are only (at best) 'sometimes true'.

I would suggest that although there are useful topics for thought to be extracted from the report, the poor way in which it is written means that its claims are false.

• http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/forum114/?PostBackAction=Download&AttachmentID=1769" >Response to AECB Biomass a Burning Issue.pdf

that pretty much sums up my opinion on the subject, can't fault it at all. Hopefully AECB will see fit to publish this as a response to the original article.

This is it Brian...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8306792/Wood-burning-stoves-can-cause-cancer-and-heart-disease.html

But I groaned when I also found this under his by-line: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8303521/Low-energy-lightbulbs-could-harm-40000.html - it's why many people give up on the green message with a "Jeez, just getting out of bed is bad for you." It feeds the cynicism. Butter is bad, butter is good. Cholesterol is bad, cholesterol is actually good and naturally occurring. Et-bloody-cetera.

What we genuinely need is not another conference on climate change that concentrates on targets, but one that concentrates on the best ways to get "it" done without scaring the shit out of everyone and then telling them they can relax. Or telling them they can relax now because we've got it under control and then telling them errr...!

Thanks for link detail joiner- I note mail have article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1354387/Wood-burning-stoves-cause-cancer-heart-disease.html?ito=feeds-newsxml Comments are interesting.
Still trying to locate article in Chemical Research in Toxicology document if anyone has access.
I note Energy Minister intends diverting funds from solar to community biomass which to me defies due diligence unless Government regulate emissions to fuel oil impact or less per Gj of useful output. Can but hope as ST apparently recommends we place our trust in Gov. Note he is now buying Sunday Times rather than reading it in quayside establishment must reflect increasing affluence.
I am struggling with unstable cursor on laptop touchpad if anyone can offer advice for cure please to avoid use of large hammer.

Steamy-I understand article was only published in journal today so hopefully will become available, ref ST recollect you previously saying reading business section when in exotic quayside establishment sorry if I became confused must be old age .