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  1.  
    Hello - we want to fill the gaps between the boards of our 1930s house. I've been told of 3 different methods:
    1 - Use "wood"-coloured silicone sealant
    2 - Use a mixture of wallpaper paste & sawdust
    3 - Use a product called Rubio mono-coat(?)
    Has anyone tried any of these? Good or bad? Or can you recommend something else?

    Cheers
    Paul
  2.  
    We used to use a mix of *very* fine sawdust and pva. Avoid 'planer droppings' - you get sort of All-Bran-Glue! Some boat fillers will, or may, be sufficiently flexible.
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2007
     
    "Wood coloured" suggests the floorboards are not covered with carpet etc.

    So is this a cosmetic excercise or are you stopping draughts?

    Silcone looks naff and attracts dirt through static.

    Sawdust and glue is what schoolboys use to fill bad joints, it looks bad.

    If you are doing this for cosmetic reasons, I wouldn't bother unless the gaps are more than 4-6mm, it'll only end up looking worse. If big gaps are the case, I'd glue strips of wood in the gaps, wedge shape in section to cater for any fluctuations and then sand the surface flat.
  3.  
    Not cosmetic or draughts - actually pest control! We sanded the boards in a previous house and thought they looked fab, the gaps appeared to support a population of fleas who munched my wife's legs in the wee small hours, although they left me alone!
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2007
     
    Fleas will lay eggs anywhere, thats a problem in itself. You must have a dog or cat, you need to deal with the fleas on animal and stop the egg laying cycle.

    I once recycled a pet bed from a skip, it looked nearly new. Boy what a problem I had brought home! It took lots of nasty chemicals , but once the hose and dog were treated, the problem never reoccured.

    I'd say forget the gaps in the floorboards!
    • CommentAuthorhowdytom
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2007
     
    I tried the silicon route some years ago work for a while, then the wifes persistant vacuuming started the dislodge bits, waste of time, got used to holes now. wood wedges sounds good to me.

    tom
  4.  
    Hmm - no pets, maybe they were already resident before we moved in.

    Anyway, there's none in this house, so I guess we'll leave the small gaps.

    Thanks all for your advice.

    By the way has anyone used hardening oil on Pine boards - as we've small kids I thought it might be a good idea?

    Cheers,
    Paul
    • CommentAuthorBluemoon
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2007
     
    How about removing the board fastenings, and closing the gaps? Then you only need one filler piece.
    • CommentAuthordavid
    • CommentTimeSep 25th 2007
     
    I've filled gaps between softwood T&G Floorboards with decorators caulk. Available in brown, white and cream.
    The floor must be varnished or oiled/waxed first.

    Vacuum the gaps first and squeeze the filler into the gap, further press in with a paint scraper across the gap and then wipe of surplus with a damp cloth. Do the wiping of thoroughly and only work on an area of about 1 sq. metre at a time.

    I use a dark brown on a pine floor and it looks like a deck on a wooden boat. Lasts at least 15 years!

    Same stuff around the perimeter stops the draught under the skirting board.
    • CommentAuthorJoinerbird
    • CommentTimeSep 26th 2007
     
    This joiner says, sawdust and PVA as above, you can try adding a little colour to match the tone.
    Yuck, fleas....Ive caught them in the past from working in empty council houses. Vet does an excellent spray for about 15 quid that treats your house.
    I like little gaps in between old boards, adds character! (thoughnot in a brand new floor that I have just laid mind you)
    • CommentAuthorJane Smith
    • CommentTimeSep 26th 2007
     
    I've just been discussing this with Toby Newell, who specialises in wood floor renovation and finishing. This is what he had to say regarding filling the gaps between floorboards:

    "I would try and remove all traces of silicone, if it is silicone, as nothing sticks to silicone and it may affect your finish. It's possible it is an acrylic sealant which is cheaper than silicone which is not so bad. The professional way to fill florrs is to use the sanding dust with a cellulose type lacquer to make a paste. Bona have just stopped doing theirs so the only one I know is made by Lecol it's called 7500 floor mastic filler. You may need to fill the floor three or four times if you have big gaps. Alternatively I use a novel method which I think is unique, I fill all the gaps in one go with 2 pack car body filler coloured with paint colourisers this gives a perfect fill and sands very smooth. The only problem is if you use 2 pack wood filler (same substance) already coloured it is very expensive. I think ag woodcare do a 6kg tub for around £40 which is very good, you could try that. It is quite unpleasant in vapour smell terms and sticks to everything but it really works. Normal wood filler is frankly useless, as a French polisher we only really use 2 types, either wax beaumontage for small cracks and pinholes and 2 pack wood filler all the rest just shrink and fall out."

    As for the fleas: they get off their host animals and lay eggs on floors, so if you've got carpet they'll be in there, and with wooden floors, they end up in the cracks. The eggs can lie dormant for months and months, and hatching is triggered by movement--so in an empty house they won't hatch, but as soon as people move in, they will. Typically, new occupants will get flea bites on their lower legs and yes, some people are more attractive to fleas than others.

    Thorough cleaning should remove them, but in practice the nasty sprays from vets work well. If you don't have dogs or cats, though, they'll soon die out as they can't live on human blood alone.

    (We have stone and wood floors downstairs, and carpet only in the bedrooms which helps prevent fleas: and even with four cats and two dogs, although we never treat them, we never have problems with fleas because our house is so very cold!)
  5.  
    The method I have used for filling cracks is to cut a load of tapered fillet strips from floorboards of the correct thickness (or slightly thicker) on a circular saw bench (or get a local joiner to cut them for you. Cut these so that the narrow edge is a bit smaller than the gaps in the boards (may need various sizes). Cover the surfaces with a thin PVA adhesive (or casein glue if you want to be even 'greener'), then carefully introduce into the cleaned out gaps and hammer gently home with a short length of hardwood placed along the strip top edge for protection from the hammer blows. Once wedged in, chisel or plane off excess, and sand.

    Where gaps are inconsistent in width, just hammer the fillet in to differing depths as you go (they should flex enough to allow this), or use shorter lengths of differing thicknesses.

    With tapered fillets that taper to nothing, even very small cracks can be filled (though a mixture of sanding dust with casein glue will work too).

    Hope this makes sense.

    This is the best and greenest way of doing it.
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2007
     
    Had an outbreak of fleas from my old cat just before she died and had a real problem until getting new cats with a fresh coat of flea protection. As said they need to feed on animals and as there are no cats and dogs then you should consider the presence of rodents under the house. Hence the answer: a cat from cat protection recently treated will deal with both problems. Also timber wedges that have been allowed to dry in the room first are your best answer - also no nasty chemicals just a bit of dust as you finish the floor flush. say that with a mouthful of crisps!!
    • CommentAuthorguyc
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2007
     
    Posted By: Jane Smith
    As for the fleas: they get off their host animals and lay eggs on floors, so if you've got carpet they'll be in there, and with wooden floors, they end up in the cracks. The eggs can lie dormant for months and months, and hatching is triggered by movement--so in an empty house they won't hatch, but as soon as people move in, they will. Typically, new occupants will get flea bites on their lower legs and yes, some people are more attractive to fleas than others.


    From previously research the answer (if you don't have pets) is just hoover, hoover, hoover. The initial vacuuming gets the eggs hatching and then you are trying to get the little buggers before they start laying more eggs.
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      CommentAuthorJ..M
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2007
     
    The environmental health dude will come out if asked & squirt some stuff around. It doesn't damage finishes & everything is dead as a do-do within 48 Hrs

    After that I'd get a carpet & get to work looking closer @ wifeys legs ;)
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