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    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2012
     
    Ted, So the 10degreesC etc is when to take the standardised measurements but that wouldn't stop you taking them at other times to illustrate a non-compliance or nuisance. Anyway, they would have to be bit more specific about things, is that at ground level, hub height or what?
    The noise conditions for my Gaia are meaningless garbage so if they can't get things right for a simple thing like that.........even when I gave them site specific background noise data they still just put a standard ESTU condition on.
    Planning Dept.s are notorious for not enforcing conditions especially when big players are concerned, they might take a different view of enforcement on little people ( like Emma and her PV for eg.). As I've said, some Councils are better than others but it seems they are all dumming down.
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2012
     
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2012
     
    If anyone is interested in the 'official' links for the planning appeal and court cases I referred to earlier I have managed to track them down:

    1. Planning Inspectorate Appeal - APP/R6830/A/08/2074921
    http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.uk/pcsportal/fscdav/READONLY?OBJ=COO.2036.300.12.1441681&NAME=/Decision%202074921.pdf

    2. High Court Judgment - [2010] EWHC 1106 (Admin)
    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2010/1106.html

    3. Court of Appeal Judgment - [2010] EWCA Civ 1635
    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2010/1635.html
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2012
     
    Windy, local council (CCC) are singularly inadequate in their dealing with the EH complaints that have been made. An official complaint to the Local Government Ombudsman would seem the next step with that.

    The CCC SPG for the planned new wind farm requires that the developers agree noise monitoring sites with the EHO in advance of taking any survey. This has been complied with - but how 'reasonable' those sites are I haven't checked yet.

    Yes, it seems that once the CCC LDP is adopted then ALL turbines, no matter what size, will need to be 1.5km from any neighbour as a planning condition. We still don't have the PD for turbines that applies in England and Scotland. I suppose there may be some circumstances where the LPA might allow an exception - but I can see that also causing problems. The wording in the LDP doesn't allow any room for manoeuvre.
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     
    Latest is that the developers are asking for a standard condition in the consent to ensure that they are protected from prosecution for any statutory nuisance they may commit. Quite how this stands up under EC environmental legislation remains to be seen.

    Hardly surprising that many people are turning against wind-farm developers with these sort of attitudes.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     
    Is there no limit to their arrogance?
    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     
    Planning Conditions would be unlawful, or at least completely unenforceable, if they gave immunity from Stat. Nuisance and anyway the Planning Authority is not the enforcing authority for stat. nuisance. You'd also need to amend the Environmental Protection Act 1990 to give wind far developer immunity .. it's all complete BS.

    Ted, and as for the CCC LDP thing about 1.5km, how idiotic. An ill conceived blanket policy which will penalise local businesses and farmers interested in the micro&small wind sector and will do nothing to address problems from the TAN8 big wind farms.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012 edited
     
    Perhaps Ted is referring to is that developers are trying to get their own version of the Denbrook AM noise condition "accepted" because the Denbrook condition is hard for them to meet.

    I know planning conditions and nusiance are meant to be seperate but councils are very unlikely to support/finance a nusiance action if the wind farm doesn't breech planning conditions.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012 edited
     
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     
    Neighbour threatens to kill wind farm owner over noise issue...

    They had been on for just three days....

    http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/news/threatened-neighbour-in-windfarm-argument-3089891.html

    Quote..

    A 48-YEAR- OLD Ballycarney man who threatened to kill or cause serious harm to a neighbour in a row over turbines on an adjoining windfarm has been given a 12-month suspended sentence.

    Aidan Kehoe, of Craanrue, Ballycarney, Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford, pleaded guilty before Judge Thomas Teehan at Wexford Circuit Criminal Court to making a threat to Henry Chamney on January 26, 2011.

    Sgt Ray Heffernan told the court that there is approximately 18 turbines on a windfarm erected adjacent to the home of the defendant. He said that on January 26, 2011, the defendant, who is a licensed firearm holder, drove into Mr. Chamney's yard in a very agitated state. At the time there was a shotgun in the car and there was a threat made to Mr. Chamney.

    Sgt Heffernan also told the court that the shotgun was on the seat of the car. At the time the defendant showed four cartridges to Mr. Chamney which had a serious affect on him. He also said that Mr. Chamney alerted gardai to the incident. As a result the gardai went to the home of the defendant who voluntarily handed over the firearm.

    This was the backdrop to an ongoing dispute, said Sgt Heffernan, adding, that it was the result of noise eminating from the turbines.

    continues..
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     
    The situation is a little different from normal planning as the project is covered by the Planning Act 2008 which has specific provisions on statutory nuisance. The development will be governed by a Statutory Instrument with embedded conditions (including a condition that ETSU-R-97 methodology be used for noise monitoring) rather than normal planning permission. A legal minefield.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     
    I'm not familiar with the 2008 Act. Is that the same as covers projects such as the HST?
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2012
     
    Yes, it's for NSIPs - Nationally Significant Infrastructure Projects, and applies to wind-farms over 50MW.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2012
     
    In which case do neighbours qualify for compensation as they do for the HST?
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2012
     
    I'm not sure, but s152 of the Planning Act 2008 does allow for compensation under certain circumstances. Blood out of a stone I suspect.
    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2012
     
    So they did amend the Environmental Protection Act (with the Planning Act 2008) oh dear...
    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2012
     
    CW - yes that video is interesting, seems near neighbours do get some payments/compensation - could this be like s152 planning stuff in the UK or seems more likely a locally negotiated contract with the developers? Either way doesn't sound very encouraging.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: windy lamb..seems near neighbours do get some payments/compensation ...


    But only if it's a "Nationally Significant Infrastructure Project" and I don't think there have been any wind farms built under that in England? Not even the 20+ turbine wind farm down south.
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    CW thanks for the video link well worth watching, even if a little depressing. I do wonder if in the UK such contracts/agreements with gagging clauses stopping near by residents complaining by paying them would be legal (I am thinking whistle blowing). These massive wind farms do seem to need a lot more careful thought regarding siting. In the text below the video is the following:

    On June 29, 2011, the Waubra Foundation in Australia issued an explicit cautionary notice to officials worldwide responsible for wind turbine siting decisions. The Foundation’s field research identified symptoms of people not only living, but working or visiting within 10 kilometers or turbines. In addition to symptoms listed above, the list includes depression and post traumatic stress disorder, suicidal ideation, heart attacks and more at the Toora and Waubra wind projects in Australia, where over 20 familiies have abandoned their homes due to ill health since turbines began operations.

    No idea how independent the Waubra Foundation is but a 10 kilometer exclusion round wind farms seems a bit excessive (and would I guess be pretty much unworkable in the UK)
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2012
     
    Posted By: candlemakerCW thanks for the video link well worth watching, even if a little depressing. I do wonder if in the UK such contracts/agreements with gagging clauses stopping near by residents complaining by paying them would be legal..


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/8925467/Couple-settle-with-wind-farm-operators-over-unbearable-hum.html

    "A judge was told today the terms of the settlement agreed by tenant farmers Sarah Jane and Julian Davis were strictly confidential."

    "The operators were accused at the start of the High Court hearing earlier this year of trying to impose "a code of silence" on those examining or recording the noise the turbines caused."

    "The terms of today's settlement mean that details of the how the settlement was reached will remain secret."
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2012
     
    I've also heard that farmers who agree to having a wind farm on their land are routinely required to sign a contract that says they won't say anything bad about the wind farm.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2012
     
    Interesting reading. First time I've found reference to clinical signs of health effects...

    http://www.alternative-energy-action-now.com/wind-turbines-health.html
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012 edited
     
    I'm not convinced that noise and vibration levels are high enough to cause conventional VAD. I suspect the effect is more subtle and to do with the way the ear works...

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20561575

    Abstract

    Infrasonic sounds are generated internally in the body (by respiration, heartbeat, coughing, etc) and by external sources, such as air conditioning systems, inside vehicles, some industrial processes and, now becoming increasingly prevalent, wind turbines. It is widely assumed that infrasound presented at an amplitude below what is audible has no influence on the ear. In this review, we consider possible ways that low frequency sounds, at levels that may or may not be heard, could influence the function of the ear. The inner ear has elaborate mechanisms to attenuate low frequency sound components before they are transmitted to the brain. The auditory portion of the ear, the cochlea, has two types of sensory cells, inner hair cells (IHC) and outer hair cells (OHC), of which the IHC are coupled to the afferent fibers that transmit "hearing" to the brain. The sensory stereocilia ("hairs") on the IHC are "fluid coupled" to mechanical stimuli, so their responses depend on stimulus velocity and their sensitivity decreases as sound frequency is lowered. In contrast, the OHC are directly coupled to mechanical stimuli, so their input remains greater than for IHC at low frequencies. At very low frequencies the OHC are stimulated by sounds at levels below those that are heard. Although the hair cells in other sensory structures such as the saccule may be tuned to infrasonic frequencies, auditory stimulus coupling to these structures is inefficient so that they are unlikely to be influenced by airborne infrasound. Structures that are involved in endolymph volume regulation are also known to be influenced by infrasound, but their sensitivity is also thought to be low. There are, however, abnormal states in which the ear becomes hypersensitive to infrasound. In most cases, the inner ear's responses to infrasound can be considered normal, but they could be associated with unfamiliar sensations or subtle changes in physiology. This raises the possibility that exposure to the infrasound component of wind turbine noise could influence the physiology of the ear.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012
     
    Also worth a look..

    http://oto2.wustl.edu/cochlea/windmill.html

    Highlights...

    [by the] Cochlear Fluids Research Laboratory, Washington University in St. Louis

    The paper shows how the outer hair cells of the cochlea are stimulated by very low frequency sounds at up to 40 dB below the level that is heard.

    There has been a widely held view that the infrasound at the levels produced by wind turbines cannot influence the ear because they are below the threshold for human hearing. Our study shows this view is incorrect.

    Our group has for years been using infrasonic tones to study how the ear works. These are often described as “biasing tones”, because they allow the structures of the ear to be displaced slowly while measurements are made. For almost 10 years we have been using infrasonic 5 Hz bias tones at levels as low as 85 dB SPL (shown as the green diamond in the graph at the right) to manipulate cochlear responses in guinea pigs. The guinea pig is LESS sensitive to low frequencies than the human, so this makes you realize that low frequency infrasonic sounds ARE AFFECTING THE FUNCTION OF THE EAR at levels well below those that are heard by humans.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012
     
    Jeez. But why the silence (no pun intended)? Why has this stuff not appeared at every planning Inquiry where noise has been raised as a potential issue?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: JoinerWhy has this stuff not appeared at every planning Inquiry where noise has been raised as a potential issue?

    Bad science maybe, the inability of decision makers to understand it. The concept of 'rights'. Perception, persuasion, stubbornness and bloody mindedness of both parties. There is also our personal interpretation of democracy. My understanding of democracy is that they have to abide by my rules but I don't. :wink:
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2012
     
    The cost of having the expert attend the appeal hearing?

    Better to spend your limited budget on a landscape or heritage expert?
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2012
     
    http://www.dissexpress.co.uk/news/latest-news/village-noise-saga-goes-on-in-palgrave-1-3810649

    Village noise saga goes on in Palgrave

    Published on Sunday 6 May 2012 13:24

    RESIDENTS in Palgrave say work to decrease the noise from the village community centre’s controversial wind turbine has not worked.

    The turbine, which provides the Upper Rose Lane centre with electricity, was switched off for two months while the community centre worked with Mid Suffolk District Council, turbine manufacturers GAIA and the installation company to reduce the noise emitted by the 24-metre high turbine.

    But parish councillor Neil Weston said since it was switched on again last week, it has continued to cause nearby householders distress.

    Adrian Wilmhurst, who lives near the turbine, added: “The noise issue has not been resolved at all. We feel there hasn’t been an improvement.”

    A spokesperson for the district council said: “Over the last few months, our Environmental Health team have been monitoring the noise of the wind turbine following complaints from local residents.

    “Due to the noise levels, we asked the community centre to switch it off whilst necessary works where undertaken to reduce the noise.

    “Following a recent visit, we have seen that the centre has made significant improvements and that the noise from turbine is no longer classed as a statutory nuisance.

    “We have been made aware that some residents still feel strongly about noise and amenity issues, and are considering these issues as part of our ongoing investigation.”

    The Diss Express was unable to contact anyone from the centre.


    So who gets to decide that it's "no longer classed as a statutory nuisance"? As far as I can tell there is no legal definition.
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2012
     
    Under the Noise Act 1996 (which was brought in to cover different circumstances to wind turbine noise) it is expressly left up to the EHO to decide. But to bring a prosecution (for failure to comply with an enforcement notice) then the noise has to be measured by an approved device and shown that it exceeds a permitted level as laid down by the SoS.

    I suspect, that for pragmatic reasons, EHOs would implement similar conditions in similar circumstances.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2012 edited
     
    Six years to collect data for a wind turbine. Got to be some sort of record..

    http://www.berwick-advertiser.co.uk/news/local-headlines/six-years-and-out-for-met-mast-1-2269672

    A MET mast which has been gathering data for a potential wind farm at Bewick Moor, near Chillingham, for the past six years will have to be dismantled after an application for a further extension was refused.

    Newport-based Per Acciona Energy had requested an extension from Northumberland County Council’s planning and environment committee for a further six months to collect data.

    However, members decided on Tuesday night that the company has had sufficient time to undertake the monitoring and that as the site is now a designated SSSI there is not strong enough justification to retain the mast.

    The 47m tall met mast has been installed on land south west of Quarry House, Eglingham - within the Bewick Moor Site of Nature Conservation Importance - since July 2006. The permission for the mast had since been extended through two previous variations to allow an extension of time in 2008 and 2009.
   
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