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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2011 edited
     
    Just mince it up, extrude it and chop into pellets of known length. Or ban the sale totally on environmental grounds :wink:
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2011
     
    Aren't you supposed to be at Dale Farm? :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorDaveS
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2011
     
    At the risk of being controversial the key issue here is the cost of wood in a specific application rather than the price. If wood is bought in small quantities for a domestic fire or small wood burner the usual unit is a trailer of 1 to 3 m3 capacity and of widely varying potential quality. it is usually supplied cut and split to a widely acceptable size and costs around here (Hertfordshire) about £70 - £100 per m3 delivered in trailor loads. The purchaser is not involved in cutting, splitting or transport. These processing and delivery costs are only suitable for low volume users. My definition of m3 is dense stacked on arrival.

    I use about 30 - 40 m3 in a log boiler for a large house at about 1.5 m3 per week in mid winter for seasoned mostly hardwood. The trailer price is out of the question - it would be approaching the old oil price of £3000 to £4500 per year.

    One option for me is to obtain tree surgeon waste (stuff they dont want to process and usually give away) in 10 to 20 ton loads with a grab lorry. Quality here is very varied and processing costs are high (thats why they didnt process it!) but all up the raw material is less than £5 per m3. It probably costs me about £20 to £30 per m3 to transport, process and stack it with my labour free but paying an assistant.

    Another option is to purchase straight wood at 3m lengths from large wood processors - this costs £20-£30 per m3 delivered in 20 m3 quantities but has the advantage that I can cut it to exactly the right length for my boiler and it can be processed three times more quickly than the scrap wood. I get a much better utilisation from this because its all hard wood and when seasoned for two years I need about 25% less for the year. So there is probably very little in it except the second option is a lot less work and makes for much easier handling.

    This is not right or wrong it depends on the application and volume involved - I suppose what I am saying is the real price is what it has cost when its on your fire or in your boiler. The only thing thats certain is that processed wood is going up fast and these numbers will change!

    Dave S
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2011
     
    Dave
    Good point, so if you buy the 3m straight wood, a cubic metre is as close to a cubic metre as you will get?
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2011
     
    Right. So to sum up the debate, it's all about spatial awareness then. :confused:
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2011
     
    Posted By: SteamyTea
    Good point, so if you buy the 3m straight wood, a cubic metre is as close to a cubic metre as you will get?

    I've just roughly measured the 24 ton load I had delivered, half of which has now been cut into .5 M lengths prior to throwing them in the splitter. That half I estimate at about 16-18 "Stere". That is of course stacked in it's variable log thickness size with ensuing gaps and that total gap capacity will change after splitting and close stacking resulting in a smaller overall cubic capacity.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2011
     
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    • CommentAuthordazdread
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2011
     
    I would just like to add that here in Market Harborough the going rate is £95 per pick (pick up) so it depends on the size of the truck as to what you get.


    I spoke to one guy delivering to a neighbour and he said they used to have 3 years worth of wood seasoning but now demand has grown to the point where it is lucky to get 12 months.

    From speaking to a couple of installers they reakon about 1000 new stoves have been fitted here in the last 2-3 years, mine included. We are in an area that is devoid, locally, of woodland so no idea where it all comes from.

    My wife uncle gives me a trailer load each year from storm felled trees on the farms he works with.

    Darren
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    Castorama in Frejus is selling 3 years seasoned oak logs for 86 euros a stere.
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    If it is any help, in North Yorkshire I got 2 cubic meters for £120 (delivered) of seasoned hardwood (mainly ash & Oak) split into approx 7-9inch logs. Seems to burn well, seems like the norm.

    RR
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    Time to update the table

    Jonti £55/m^3 plus £10 delivery
    Gotanewlife £91.30/tonne
    Richy £50/m^3
    Owlman £30/tonne (£68/tonne processed)
    Dickster £87.5/tonne (estimate)
    JSHarris £122/tonne (estimate)
    Daysleeper £76.92/m^3
    Billt £41/m^3 (September)
    Billt £54/m^3 (October)
    Pete_in_Hungry £35/m^3
    CWatters £80 green £120 seasoned pickup truck load
    DaveS £70-100/m^3
    Dazdread £95 pickup truck load
    mrswhitecat 86 euros a stere
    roserambler £60/m^3
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012 edited
     
    We were selling 2 years dried hardwood (20%) for £100, this is a stacked 1m3 about 380kg -400kg. I think a stacked cube is about 1.3m3 -1.4m3 if loose. We were sold out before Christmas:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012 edited
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A8re

    :wink: Lots of apples and pears in the above. I keep being told that comparisons are impossible on that basis. :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    I must just be lucky, I haven't had to pay anything for timber over the last three years, the locals give it to me for free. I've just been given a eucalyptus, standing deadwood, killed off by last years harsh winter. All I have to do is cut it up. At times my wood store is overflowing.
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Joiner</cite><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A8re" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A8re</a>

    <img src="/forum114/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title=":wink:"></img>Lots of apples and pears in the above. I keep being told that comparisons are impossible on that basis.<img src="/forum114/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/bigsmile.gif" alt=":bigsmile:" title=":bigsmile:"></img></blockquote>

    Hi Joiner
    I agree there are many variables that is why we sell by the stacked m3. This is what you get so no variable's to worry about. Customers are always surprised how much wood 1m3 is when it's unloaded.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    Actually quite like the 'stere' as a unit. Something that says everything in as few words as possible.

    Jeez, bit out of character for me! :shocked:
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012 edited
     
    Well done Beau, in selling your firewood by the Stere. Only a few short years ago selling stacked firewood was almost unknown in the UK. Arbitary measures like "load", " dumpy bag",- erroneously referred to as M3, and ton, with no real yardstick, or "metrestick" to true quantity. It would be nice to think that the numerous discussions on this forum have to some extent been instrumental in enlightening the public and sellers alike. Some years ago I found some comparisons from Germany and I seem to remember that a 1M x 1M x 1M box filled with loose tipped firewood was equivalent to about 0.6 Stere.
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    I don't burn wood myself, but for the sake of comparison I had a quick look in the small ads and the run of prices here in the south of Sweden is:

    Unseasoned hardwood mainly Birch and Beech £37.50-£44/m3 split and cut 30-35cm lengths.

    Seasoned hardwood as above £56-£63/m3
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012 edited
     
    Thanks owlman

    You are right. It was through being educated through this and another forum that I realised about the fairest way to sell wood. Unfortunately not many of my customers have worked out what m3 is. I delivered a 1m3 to a lady up the road with a nice new log store off ebay "could you stack them in there please" It stored about 1/4m3 and the rest had to sit under a tarpaulin in the garden:cry:
    Do you think the term Stere would be more understood in the UK

    Chris that is cheap. If I had to sell for that I think I would make £5 per hour.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    Does anyone want to convert the table and update it to £/MJ, problem solved then.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    'Stere' as the convention? Why not? Who now doesn't accept the metric system and its terms? Just another one that makes sense. After all, how "big" is a m3? Lesson in your last post!! :bigsmile:
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    Once again I must admit that our Yankee friends are (and were) ahead of the game.
    Have they not always referred to a "cord" of firewood,
    being sommat like a stack 4 feet wide by 8 feet long by 4 feet high.
    Me, I think in cubic metres, ( from premix concrete usuage ) and do appreciate just how big a cubic metre is.
    Cheers
    M
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    But they're still using Imperial over there, Marcus.

    For us, one more adjustment to get our heads around shouldn't be that much bother. Unless, of course, you're the lady living just up the road from Beau. :wink:
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    Dutch Elm Disease arrived in Aberdeen 3 years ago. I therefore have a large quantity of Elm firewood, dried for 3 years.

    It is rubbish to burn, even dried, gives much less heat than ash or beech.

    Does anybody know why some hardwoods give out less heat than others? Do you pay more per m3,tonne,stere,cord,sandbag if it is a good-burning species?

    Could adjust price by this scale: http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/woodburning_chart.html
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    Personally I don't think this scale is right. I would always take some well dried beech ahead of ash but I have no idea about elm, sorry
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    Will, I think it all depends on the type of appliance you've got, for a bog standard room heater then elm, as folklore suggests, may burn a bit like the grave. Most suppliers will charge more for so called prime species. But in my experience if you've got a fan assisted log gas boiler then any, and all wood is grist for the mill. I've burned ash, oak, beech, spruce, leylandii,willow, pine and workshop offcuts of numerous other species, as for heat difference, thats another issue. When you chuck it in by the barrow load it's hard to tell.
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    Posted By: Joiner'After all, how "big" is a m3? Lesson in your last post!!

    Depending on age, maybe the 'lady up the road' would have better understood "a bit bigger than a yard by a yard by a yard"? :wink:
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    :bigsmile:

    And doesn't a 'stere' sound a bit medical?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012
     
    Posted By: Joiner.............And doesn't a 'stere' sound a bit medical?

    Shall we use the Old English terminology then and call it a Faggot:bigsmile::wink:
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012
     
    :bigsmile:

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