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    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2012
     
    Ok I am confused. If a SIP has polyurethane as the inner insulation, why does it need a VCL? Equally why does the SIP need and outer breathable membrane? Are these being included "because we always put these in" or is there a rational explanation?
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    Posted By: borpinqually why does the SIP need and outer breathable membrane?


    Because it can get wet during construction and needs to be able to dry.

    Paul in Montreal.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeJan 24th 2012
     
    Posted By: Paul in Montreal
    Posted By: borpinqually why does the SIP need and outer breathable membrane?
    Because it can get wet during construction and needs to be able to dry.
    I thought a Breatheable membrane was to let moisture out of the frame (not just the OSB) and not let moisture into the frame. Would not just leaving this off altogether allow it to dry out? Once dry, ona SIP, you should never get condensation.
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    I don't like the way the usual SIP external wall detail puts the inner OSB between the polyurethane core & a plastic VCL. However, dispensing with the VCL would require another means of ensuring warm moist air doesn't reach the cold parts of the structure. How do you guarantee this without membrane &/or tape? Is expanding foam good enough? What about the panel joints where insulation is routed out & a timber batten inserted?

    I'm sure all these isssues can be addressed, but someone needs to validate details for all of the common joints & a SIP vendor doesn't have a commercial interest in doing so when he can just specify a well sealed VCL.

    The breather membrane provides a secondary line of defence to water penetration & improves windtightness, while still allowing the outer OSB to dry should it get wet during construction or due to warm moist air reaching it. I think it earns its keep.

    David
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    Posted By: borpinI thought a Breatheable membrane was to let moisture out of the frame (not just the OSB) and not let moisture into the frame. Would not just leaving this off altogether allow it to dry out? Once dry, ona SIP, you should never get condensation.


    It's also to provide a surface to shed water penetration that may come through your rain screen. Even bricks can let water through, plus there's always the possibility of surface condensation. You want this water to run down inside the rainscreen, not between the OSB and the membrane. That's the purpose of materials like Tyvek etc.

    Paul in Montreal.
    • CommentAuthorTimber
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2012
     
    Well, firstly, look on the UKSIPs website. They have recently published some simple techincal bulletins on a number of subjects. I would suggest reading them.

    A breather membrane, as mentioned by others, help to protect the structure during construction, but more importantly in service, it also shed water that may get through the cladding. IMO a breather membrane is a total must. OSB doesn't really like getting wet regularly.

    A VCL is normally required. Some SIPs use an EPS core which is fairly vapour permiable allowing the possibility of interstitial condensation. Even with a PUR core, a VCL helps to reduce risks. The inner face of the SIP (the OSB) should be at a moisture content of 20% or less before being closed in to avoid mould growth or decay. In service the VCL will also help to achieve a good air tightness.
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