Martin

Thank you for your input on this - and your concern. The problem with burning wood is that it releases toxins - forget the CO2 for now. Its the carcinogenic microscopic particles that you and your neighbours need to be concerned about. Don't expect the manufacturers or the retailers to give you this information - they are in the business of making money from their product.

I've spent 3 years having to inhale smoke from a Central Boiler - it wouldn't make any difference if the wood was bone dry and there was no visible smoke - if the OWB boiler is burning wood then it is emitting cancer causing particles. Just like cigarettes - only much worse.The best and most authoritative source of information I have found is EHHI in the States. They are knowledgeable professionals with all the relevant qualifications and access to world wide studies on wood burning. Take a look because nobody wants to endanger other peoples lives - or their own. Here's the link: http://ehhi.org

I have a toxicology report for gasification wood burning stoves i.e. OWBs - it is equally valid for any wood burning appliance. I'll gladly post it up here or email it directly to anyone that wants it.
I know its hard to accept after all the propaganda that we have been fed about renewables but burning wood isn't about replacing trees - its about the cancer causing micro-particles they release when burned -that's what we should be worrying about - that is the big issue that no one wants to talk about. Do you have children or grandchildren? - that's another area you need to find about.

Most people are like you Martin - they would never want to harm their neighbours - so please check the resources I have already posted - burning wood is never safe. That's why I'm confidently going to take my County Council to the Courts for their Nonfeasance -the evidence is irrefutable. If we all got together we good have a 'class action' and put all the evidence before the Court for a definitive decision.

I hope others will join the discussion so we can produce the evidence and let people decide for themselves.

By the way - SanFrancisco have introduced a scheme to replace all wood burning stoves with clean heat sources - that's how serious they think the problem is.

Thanks Martin for contributing - it's the only way to get to the truth.

Thanks also to Cleanairforall2 - I'll check out the face book page

Mikee - I hope this is helpful - the more people that engage with the issue the more likely we all are to get EH officers to understand the harmful effects of smoke inhalation.

Kind regards to all,
Karen

Presumably they have to stop burning and pay up the compensation.

<blockquote><cite>Posted By: tony</cite>Presumably they have to stop burning and pay up the compensation.</blockquote>

Not the best of results I'm afraid Tony.


Are the filters readily available in the UK now RenewableJohn?

<blockquote><cite>Posted By: Mikeee5</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: tony</cite>Presumably they have to stop burning and pay up the compensation.</blockquote>

Not the best of results I'm afraid Tony.


Are the filters readily available in the UK now RenewableJohn?</blockquote>

These are the UK agents for the swiss system.

http://www.oekotube.ch/joomla/oekosolve/index.php/en/sales/international/vertrieb-england-en

Not saying there cheap because quality never is but if I was in your shoes I would offer a 50% contribution if it meant a permanent solution and that way they can see your trying to be reasonable rather than that nasty complaining neighbor from next door.

Posted By: Mikeee5I'm not sure where we stand if someone throws an objection in !!

What about asking for a condition - if the extension to the chimney fails to work i.e. fails to stop the pollution - it must be removed.

This would put you back to todays condition where the fact that a problem exists is now recognised. If the extension remains it will be there to cloud the next solution and potentially confuse further discussions.

Re filters - I would not be in favour of a filter solution because filters only work if they are replaced or maintained at the proper frequency. What are the chances of your neighbour putting up a filter, saying "there job done" and behaving as if it a fit and forget i.e. never touching it again until you have to go back to court because of the pollution. IMO the best solution would be a passive fix, that is one that works without any intervention e.g. a chimney high enough to work !!

Have you contacted OFGEM?

- Quote the Consumer Protection Act 1987 - all products must be safe. You are being harmed by the smoke so the Act covers you.

Threaten to take legal action against your LA/EH dept for Nonfeasance - that is a failure to perform a duty which results in harm

Time to get tough - or get cancer. Sorry but when you've been breathing in these toxins for as long as you have Mikee - you and your family really can't afford to waste time looking for a chimney fix. You need an Abatement Order right now.

Good Luck.
Karen

Renewable John : NOT OFCOM - We aren't talking telephones - You surely mean OFGEM ?

I have read through this thread - and I can see that Mike has had 4 years of getting the run around and unfortunately despite your efforts - he is still inhaling smoke.

I'm not trying to steal your glory renewable john - I am just commenting - it is a public forum - not private territory.

What is disturbing about you is this regular bullying and insulting of contributors - if you don't like the comment - just ignore it. Name calling is out of place here.

Mike is smart enough to judge for himself what may be useful and what is not.

Can you try to be civil?

Kind regards
Karen

Here's the proposed solution !!

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Good luck to you Karen .Were right behind you .

Planners will have guidelines,policies and planning law to follow with or without objections.

Wot!!!

In my mind "no chimney means no stove", but logic does not appear to apply in this case!

Posted By: TriassicIn my mind "no chimney means no stove", but logic does not appear to apply in this case!

+1

Posted By: SimonMFHi

I have read this thread from time to time and there is one thing puzzling me. It is evident that Mikeee neighbour is aware that he or she is causing him and his family a nuisance, a large measure of distress and even bouts of ill health. It seems that the neighbour in question is severely out of pocket due to court action undertaken by Mikeee. The large majority of members of the human race, faced with such protest, would reflect on their behaviour and conclude that because of the hurt he is causing would cease their unnecessary and harmful activity. Indeed this is by far the easiest course of action for this neighbour.

This is the bit I don't get. Why doesn't this guy just give up, insert a gas or electric fire and everyone is happy and he saves money. Why is he persisting?

I have a neighbour that has objected to our planning permission for a replacement dwelling on every level, he has not won one point but still persists, some people are just not resonable.