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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:58:42 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>RobinB</author>
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			<![CDATA[I like the idea that they run cooler, not sure I'd want one on my roof.<br /><br /><a href="http://inhabitat.com/v3solars-photovoltaic-spin-cell-cones-capture-sunlight-all-day-long/" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://inhabitat.com/v3solars-photovoltaic-spin-cell-cones-capture-sunlight-all-day-long/</a>  !<br /><br />"The V3 Spin Cell is currently undergoing refinement through collaboration with industrial design team Nectar Design before it is made commercially available. Once refined, the company believes that the Spin Cell could be a game-changer in its market. On their website V3 explains that if one places a 20x solar concentration on a flat, static solar panel then â€œthe temperature quickly reaches 260 degrees F, the solder melts within ten seconds, and the PV fails. With the same concentration on the Spin Cell, the temperature never exceeds 95 degrees F.â€ "]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:57:01 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[So they are using a lens to increase the intensity and then using the spin to cool it.<br />Be interesting to see where the efficiency gains are, probably at the bottom of the scale (no bad think).  I think they are looking for funding at the moment.<br />A couple of years back I played with a mirror and a PV system, it worked well and could allow for smaller amounts of panels and a tracking mirror system.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:15:05 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Hey Steamy - might have known you got their first!  I love you experiments.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:55:20 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[It is the fastest, cheapest and most conclusive way to get to the truth.<br />Still got the thermal mass one running in the back yard, as well as my new gas powered camping shower running in the parking area (neighbours are out as it may be explosive as it is un-vented) <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/bigsmile.gif" alt=":bigsmile:" title=":bigsmile:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:44:14 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: SteamyTea</cite>It is the fastest, cheapest and most conclusive way to get to the truth</blockquote>Yes, life is one big experiment that we're all doing. Unfortunately the truth dies with us and has to be rediscovered time and again (like, just try advising the children about bringing up the grandchildren).]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 11:00:15 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>RobinB</author>
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			<![CDATA[The thermal mass one was the one I'm least sure about. Can't make my mind up whether it scales well to real-world situations. Now I'm more worried about your neighbours!]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:42:41 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[The shower worked well, but the proof will be in the eating next week when I am camping.<br /><br />I am not sure of knowledge does die with people (though corporate knowledge seems to).<br /><br />Scaling is a problem as surface area does not scale in a linear fashion (working out the losses from a slab shows this, but it gets to a size where any more increase makes no difference.  May be possible from out energy use thread to work out some scaling, we will know when heating starts to come on.  The more that join in the better.<br /><br />I also have 3 samples of insulation plaster need to test out.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:52:09 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>CWatters</author>
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			<![CDATA[I wonder how they get the power out of the rotating cells and away to the house? Some kind of fancy induduction system like an electric tooth brush?]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:59:32 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I hope so. If they've gone for DC and brushes it would be a maintenance hassle.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:20:12 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Sprocket</author>
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			<![CDATA[I must be missing something.<br />Wouldn't it be easier, simpler, and just as efficient to blow air over them?]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:35:44 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: Sprocket</cite>Wouldn't it be easier, simpler, and just as efficient to blow air over them?</blockquote><br />Don't be silly, you can't get funding for the bleeding obvious <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title=":wink:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:54:53 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Seret</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: Sprocket</cite>I must be missing something.<br />Wouldn't it be easier, simpler, and just as efficient to blow air over them?</blockquote><br /><br />They seem to claim that spinning the actual PV cells through light and shadow makes them more efficient. Sounds a bit iffy but you never know. Any semiconductor geeks care to weigh in on that? <br /><br />I guess the main advantage is that by addressing 360deg it works as a tracking system (in azimuth anyway).]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:45:26 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>jms452</author>
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			<![CDATA['They seem to claim that spinning the actual PV cells through light and shadow makes them more efficient. Sounds a bit iffy but you never know. Any semiconductor geeks care to weigh in on that?<br /><br />I guess the main advantage is that by addressing 360deg it works as a tracking system (in azimuth anyway).'<br /><br />Well it helps stop them getting hot so does make them more efficient, the breeze will help too for the same reason. There will also be a threshold below which there will be no power generation due to leakage within the cell which the lenses may help with too.<br /><br />Overall though IMHO a lot of extra complexity for a marginal efficiency gain.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 21:30:03 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[If you spin it clockwise does in generate and anti-clockwise it stores energy, that would be a good claim  <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title=":wink:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:15:13 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Ed Davies</author>
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			<![CDATA[Yes, that should be how it works - actually it's the relationship between the rotation and the polarization of the light that matters so it'll be the other way round in the southern hemisphere.]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:47:15 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[Maybe it's not an air cooling thing, but turning the overheated collector (or lens aperture thereto) to face various lesser radiant temps, for relief from constant full-sun? I.e. would this work on the moon?<br /><br />I suspect we haven't grasped its principle yet - and the website sets out to obfuscate.]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:47:28 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>jms452</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: fostertom</cite>the website sets out to obfuscate.</blockquote><br /><br />This is generally a rather bad sign]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:08:31 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: jms452</cite><blockquote ><cite >Posted By: fostertom</cite>the website sets out to obfuscate.</blockquote><br /><br />This is generally a rather bad sign</blockquote><br /><blockquote ><cite >Posted By: SteamyTea</cite>I think they are looking for funding at the moment.</blockquote>]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:42:06 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>dickster</author>
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			<![CDATA[Come to think of it, these cells are in shade for 50% approx of the time so can only be -50% +20% efficient?]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:22:49 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Much less than 50% - it's the frontal area of a full sine-curve cycle - at a guess 27%.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:14:55 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Ed Davies</author>
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			<![CDATA[1/Ï€ ~= 31.83% so 27% is not a bad guess (ignoring the increased reflection from the surface of the cells when they're at steep angle).]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:17:07 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: Ed Davies</cite>1/Ï€ ~= 31.83% so 27% is not a bad guess (ignoring the increased reflection from the surface of the cells when they're at steep angle).</blockquote><br />That reflection probably accounts for the 4.83% difference <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/bigsmile.gif" alt=":bigsmile:" title=":bigsmile:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:28:37 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[Not being a chemist, do solar cells of any design have a quirk where as the energy state drops from too high (causing heating) have a time element that fast cycling them may help.  And could this be controlled electronically instead.  Some kind of way to keep the energy in the photon available for a fraction of a second longer until the energy of the cell is drawn away. (was listening to Material World on the way back from the 'farm' and some man called Serge has made a very shiny reflectors that keeps a photon 'alive' for a billion 'bounces' of the mirrors, seem to remember reading that a photon lasts 10^28 years, so has some life in it).]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:41:22 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Triassic</author>
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			<![CDATA[Scientists from the University of Warwick Department of Chemistry in collaboration with spin-out company Molecular Solar have demonstrated a solar cell with an open circuit voltage of over 7 volts.  Thatâ€™s enough voltage to power and recharge a standard lithium ion battery running at about 4.2 volts.<br /><br />Read more here - <a href="http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/10/12/a-hot-new-solar-cell/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewEnergyAndFuel+%28New+Energy+and+Fuel%29&amp;utm_content=Google+UK" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/10/12/a-hot-new-solar-cell/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewEnergyAndFuel+%28New+Energy+and+Fuel%29&amp;utm_content=Google+UK</a>]]>
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