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    • CommentAuthorStuartB
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
     
    We are looking at installing a GSHP but I have a niggling concern about the temp of the hot water. My wife likes a really hot shower and I am a bit worried that a GSHP won't give really hot water. Most suppliers say upto 55 degrees but it is the upto bit that concerns me. Does anyone have a GSHP in their home and can vouch for the quality of the hot water?

    Cheers
  1.  
    I'm not sure this directly answers your question as the GSHPs in use in North America seem to be somewhat differently configured than those in Europe.

    First point: what water temperature do you use in your shower? In our case, the thermostatic mixing valve is set at 38C - I would be surprised if you needed anything above 40C.

    We have a gas hot water tank where the thermostat is set at 51.5C (125F) - this is considerably below the 60C that I've seen mentioned for tanks in the UK and is done this way to avoid scalding - we're not worried about Legionnaire's disease as the tank is at mains pressure. The GSHP has a de-superheater which preheats the bottom of the tank and I think the output is 55C. When the heat pump is running (either in the depths of winter or when we have it in airconditioning mode) the hot water is noticeably hotter (and the gas consumption also goes down). Note, though, that our GSHP is not set up to provide all our DHW, just to supplement it. Main heat distribution is through forced air.

    I would say anything above 40C is fine - and the higher you go above 40C the lower your coefficient of performance. (The de-superheater works on a different principle which is why the output temperature is so high).

    Hope this helps,

    Paul in Montreal.
    • CommentAuthorStuartB
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
     
    Thanks Paul,

    We would be looking to use the GSHP for 100% of our hot water (family of 3) - anyone in the UK run solely on GSHP and have sufficient hot water?
  2.  
    I installed a GSHP in the summer with a 300 litre main pressure cylinder
    and set the water temperature to around 45C , I cant remember the exact figure ,
    I was trying to get it as low temperature as possible
    that they were happy with at there kitchen hot tap with out the need to add cold
    the customer are very happy with this
    The heat pump supplies all the hot water and they are a family of 5
    The pumps controller automaticially brings the water up tp 60c once a week ,as discribed in the manual, to pasturise the water

    Jim
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
     
    Sounds like a recipe for getting scolded to me!:shamed::shamed::shamed::shamed:
  3.  
    Posted By: tonygetting scolded


    Tony, your mis-spellings are sometimes hilarious - I'm guessing you used scolded deliberately rather than scalded :wink:

    Paul in Montreal
  4.  
    Whats the deal with a mains pressure cylinder and legionella

    I know little about legionella prevention other than the traditional plumbers idea
    of storing water above 56c , which if avoidable would be great

    thanks Jim
  5.  
    Posted By: jamesingramWhats the deal with a mains pressure cylinder and legionella


    No one mentions it over here in Canada where everyone has a mains pressure water cylinder. People are being advised to turn the thermostat down to 51.5C to avoid being scalded - no-one mentions legionella. I think there's enough chlorine in mains water that it's not a problem - at least, I've never heard of any cases in all the 14 years I've been here - not from domestic water at least.

    Paul in Montreal.
    • CommentAuthorRod@BHF
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     
    Hi Stuart, we have a gshp feeding two bunk barns, the showers are excellent.

    Rod

    www.busheyheathfarm.co.uk
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2007
     
    Our GSHP is "upto 55C" as well. This is the maximum that it can output and is settable via controls. The "upto" just means that you can have it set lower if you want.

    Get a thermal store to allow for future upgrades via coils for solar hot water/log burning stove.
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