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Green Building Bible, fourth edition (both books)
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    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2014
     
    Got stopped by a neighbour and asked if I knew how much it costs go install a flue liner?

    She lives in a house and has been quoted £1200, which she thought was high. The last one I did was for myself, so I could not answer her question, but did say I would find out. Thoughts?
    • CommentAuthormark_s
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2014
     
    Costs are very variable - sounds a bit steep to me, but I know people who have paid far more around me.

    As a basic guide to material costs

    £30/meter for the liner
    £50 each end for cowl/adapter fitting
    £50 register plate

    Then possible building work for opening, vitreous pipes, insulation? scaffold?

    adds up quite quickly
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2014 edited
     
    I've heard of prices from £450 to £2500 over the last decade just for the flue
    does it include fitting and commissioning the stove?
    I know a local firm that charges £850 just for the flue drop and cowel
    I'd probably charge about £1000-1500 if some asked me to price.
    approx.
    £250+ materials
    £450 scaffold
    2 man days £320
    profit/contingencies 15-25%

    Job I'm currently on the builder dropped one down on his own (labourer pulling rope during drop) with a roof ladder in a morning , sorted cowel and registery plate.
    He spend about another day moving the lintel and adjusting the opening and still has a little to do.
    So all-in 2 man days.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2014
     
    There are different grades of stainless for liners. The two common ones are 316 and 904. 904 is thicker and a bit more expensive. As liners are usually twin wall you can get combinations, for example 904 inside 316 outside. 904 liners seem to be around £33 a meter on ebay.
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2014
     
    So many variables with flues. Our double skinned joby and all fittings cost nearly a £1000 in materials. Fitted a simple flue liner for the neighbors in a couple of hours and their flue and cowl cost less than £300. Then it might include a register plate which can be fiddly old job and old house.
  1.  
    £1200 probably reasonable. I generally struggle to do it for less than £1000 with a 904 liner. Does not incl register plate or commissioning of stove.
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2014 edited
     
    I've passed on the information but as ever there were more questions.

    If she has an open fire (no problems with the smoke going up now) and she replaces it with a wood burner, why does she need a flue liner?
  2.  
    Open fire places (are there many left??) can not get shut down for a slow burn. Put in a wood burner sooner or later, or as a way of life, it will be shut down for a slow / extended burn which will promote the production of condensate in the chimney. Without a liner this will settle out on the brick work of the chimney soak into the bricks and mortar and eventually come out on the plaster of the chimney breast - typically upstairs where it will stain and smell and be virtually impossible to remove (replace the plaster and more will soak through from the bricks, and the smell will come through dry lining). Whilst you should not slow burn wood stoves it happens and a liner prevents staining coming through the chimney walls and makes the chimney easier to clean. There are probably other reasons as well............
  3.  
    simple answer is it works better with a liner
    • CommentAuthorwookey
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2014
     
    You don't _need_ a flue liner, but the risk is what Peter said. I've had wood burner in two houses. One was fine for 7 years, the other got a brown-stained chimney breast upstairs after 4 years, so I lined it. It's quieter without a liner (chimney alone was silent, with liner you get a faint rushing noise), but it should draw better with a liner.
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2014
     
    Use a liner. Assuming that you also insulate the space between the chimney wall and the liner, you will get a quicker warm-up for the flue and the fire will 'draw' that much more earlier. Starting the fire with a good amount of kindling with a couple of logs will raise the flue temperature as quickly as possible.
    Our experience with the original salt-glazed liner flue - no stain penetration risk but the smelly toxic(?) condensation falling into the open hearth was very unpleasant!
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