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Housing - New Build: Recycled roof slates

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    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2008
     
    Hi,
    Has anyone used a roof tile made out of recycled plastic....I think from Germany. I have seen them and they look identical to normal natural slates. I believe they are very hard wearing and easy to fit. The only one i have come across is called 'Ardesia'........I could do with some feedback from someone who has fitted them.
    Thanks.
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2008
     
    a friend has used some 'slates' made of recycled car types

    from the ground, they are very realistic, and it is really only their weight that gives them away.

    I believe they were pricey though. Will try and find out what the product was
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2008
     
    Thanks very much......this particular product used to have car tyres in it, but I think they just use plastic now. I have been quoted 75p per tile, which I thought was quite competitive. The tiles are supposed to last for 50 yrs+....but they haven't been around long enough to test this!!!
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      CommentAuthorrogerwhit
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2008
     
    Lifespan on a par with Spanish slates then? Good Welsh slates should last 100 yrs plus ... (& have been around that long) implying that you get what you pay for.
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      CommentAuthorMartian
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2008
     
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2008
     
    This is very helpful, Martian! Many thanks.

    I'll keep you posted if I do decide to ahead with the recycled tyres.
  7.  
    I've been looking into the Ardesia recycled car tyre slates for the new house.

    On cost they are good because the fixing times are so much quicker owing to nail gun fixing and no drilling.

    BUT....

    As far as I can tell they are imported from the US! and quoting the manufacturer:

    "100% recyclable blend of dolomitic limestone and resins"... see that "recyclABLE" not recycled!!

    Suppliers:
    http://www.lowimpact.org/acatalog/roofing_materials.html#a173
    http://www.e-b-c-uk.com/products.htm

    Manufacturer
    http://www.tapcoeurope.com/roofinginnovation.htm

    I want to be wrong but I think the idea of "recycled car tyre slates" is so strong that the truth maybe being ignored...

    ...someone prove me wrong... not sure I can afford natural slate and am not sure of the eco qualities of Cambrian etc...

    help!
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    Alarm over just spoke to the chap at EBC it like this they sell

    Ardesia (not Ardesia MAX that's something else) and this is the recyclED one, as :

    http://www.lowimpact.org/acatalog/roofing_materials.html#a173

    They also sell Inspire:
    http://www.tapcoeurope.com/roofinginnovation.htm

    which is the recyclABLE imported from US one

    Guess which one has the BBA certificate and the testing data to show AA surface spread of flame.... :sad:

    However Ardesia has some German test data on fire so I'm going to give it a go with building control.

    Both about £25 /m2 supplied but dead cheap to fix especially the Inspire

    If anyone has any experience with getting BC approval for this I'd be grateful....

    J
  9.  
    For alternatives have a look at http://www.ecotechrecycledproducts.co.uk who have different patterns and slight variations in the shades to make the roof look more like the real thing - and http://www.athyecoslate.com who buy back unused products. A major bonus with both of these is that you do not have to factor in extra to cover breakages and there is no wastage!
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2009
     
    As an update, my planner is not happy with the sample I took in and looks like he is only going to be approving real slate. Slate is in keeping with the local village houses and will fit in fine on mine as well, but I was keen to give the Ardesia ones a go.
    Still trying to get final quotes in for labour and materials. Tiles are due to be fitted in two weeks!!!
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    Posted By: Sally MAs an update, my planner is not happy with the sample I took in and looks like he is only going to be approving real slate.


    What did the approved drawings describe...?

    J
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    Posted By: Meldrewthe2ndhttp://www.athyecoslate.com/
    • CommentAuthorTerry
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2009
     
    Perhaps you need to do a mock-up and show the planners what they look like at a distance - as they would be when they are on the roof. Put some real slate next to it but dont tell them which is which. If anything like our planner, they wont be able to tell :devil:
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    God forbid that green building has come to mean recycling stuff to look like a natural material that is still freely , and locally available anyway. Trying to fake up natural materials with an industrial product always looks tacky and vulgar, plus it's immoral. and the better it works, as a fake, then the more immoral it is. People are just obsessed with the look of things, and it's what they are that matters.
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2009
     
    Has anyone used Lacomet instead of lead for the flashings, gullies etc?
    Rainwater harvesting, so want to keep lead to a minimum and cost!

    I can reinforce the positive comments about EBC. I found them great to deal with.
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    Posted By: paul.dixon27it's immoral.


    I don't think its actually immoral Paul... :shocked:

    Posted By: paul.dixon27People are just obsessed with the look of things, and it's what they are that matters.


    Substitute people for planners.

    Posted By: paul.dixon27a natural material that is still freely , and locally available anyway.


    Essentially you mean Welsh slate which these days is a pretty top end specification and out of most peoples reach.

    Finally, the idea of a recycled car tyre has always seemed to me a symbolic and dare I say it fun idea.

    J
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    It could be that I went in a bit hard late last night when I posted that comment.. essentially I believe it though. We're just surrounded by stuff trying to look like something else...fake slate, fake stone, fake wood, fake clay..
    It's demoralizing and depressing, and personally i don't think immoral is too strong.
    i'm all in favour of making things out of recycled tyres, but not using them to imitate a traditional material.
    So far as slate goes, while a few years ago roofers would take the slates off and recycle them, it seems now they just sling them in the skip-does that mean the price for s/h slates has dropped so low that it's not worth collecting and selling them, or has the market disappeared completely?
  18.  
    Its the relative cost of installing the slates that make them expensive not the unit cost.

    To be honest I get where your coming from, and architecturally would agree with you; we got sent some ridiculous fake wood the other week, thoroughly entertaining, (and a little depressing), I always think that top end laminate flooring is a bit of a joke too as its actually more expensive than the real thing.

    However, ideally I would like to use reclaimed slates but as I say the fitting costs just push them out of reach.

    Also the car tyre thing is a specific waste issue and as such I think in a planning context that insists on slate and would happily see you import slate from Brazil rather than use the recycled product; such a product can be an acceptable solution environmentally, but also I like subversive aspect and interest factor.

    As an architect, if you can't be a little whimsical when designing and building your own house when can you? If I was looking at a spec' for a whole estate, I might have to think a little more "morally".

    J

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