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    • CommentAuthorV8Dolly
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
     
    I was seriously considering a solar hot water system until the recurrence of a spate of having things thrown at the house by mindless person or persons unknown. Imagining that an array of glass tubes on the roof at the front of the house would prove an irresistible target to said clown(s) does anyone have any suggestions as to how it would be possible to protect them? Would thick perspex reduce their efficiency? Thanks...
    • CommentAuthorTuna
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
     
    I'd suggest a CCTV camera. If this is a regular attack, it's likely to be a single person or small group.

    Why is your house such a target?
    • CommentAuthorV8Dolly
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
     
    We had a camera installed last week after someone walked right up to the porch & launched a brick through it. Unfortunately any solar installation would be vulnerable as it could be targeted from the road out of sight of the camera. We have no idea why this is happening but we are adjacent to a high school...
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
     
    my guess is that a mesh would be more effective than a perspex.

    perspex may work on day 1, but as it weathers, attracts dirt, gets scratched, suffers UV degradation, it is going to lose transparency relatively quickly and require very regular cleaning

    mesh will block out a percentage of sun (1% to 5%, say?) depending on mesh / frame but have little requirement for maintenance.


    Will a mesh prevent the missiles making it through, or are they cleverer than that?
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
     
    i would also advise a 'chat' with the school / board of Governors over their duty of care to the surrounding neighbourhood.
    • CommentAuthorTimber
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2009
     
    Buy and air rifle, and some rubber pellets!

    Timber
    • CommentAuthorTheDoctor
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
     
    Timber,

    how very environmental of you to choose a 'lead free' solution!


    The Japanese use a paint-bomb approach. Throw what looks like a tennis ball at the offender, and they are permanently marked with an orange dye. (it splats rather than explodes!)
    • CommentAuthorcookie
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
     
    Unless other homes suffer regular attacks near by I'd say you've upset someone.

    Usually a neighbour over the way you park your car or something you think is totally incidental, its amazing how the smallest things upset people over time. I not sure what its like where you live but school kids here generally don't walk up to houses and throw bricks through windows as a laugh.

    What time of day is it happening?

    Can you install panels on the front of your house? or does it need planning permission? I've know idea :o)

    Cookie
    • CommentAuthorralphd
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2009
     
    Posted By: TimberBuy and air rifle, and some rubber pellets!

    Timber

    Move to Texas where they are legally allowed to shoot trespassers if they reasonably feel threatened.
    :wink:
  1.  
    Posted By: V8DollyWe have no idea why this is happening but we are adjacent to a high school...


    Speak to the school then the police! then your councillor and then MP. Do not rest until someone sorts this out for you... the state still exists anarchy has not yet arrived...!

    You should not have to even consider protecting your house from this kind of vandalism.

    Save your money and get someone who you are are already paying through taxation to sort this sort of thing out to actually do there job and sort it out. PIR lighting w/ basic cctv (which the police may even lend you) will have the culprit IDd in no time.

    J


    :devil:
    • CommentAuthorBrianR
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2009
     
    V8Dolly is this the UK? If so I would probably advise you to move house. You are about to become what is inaccurately termed 'white flight' but is more accurately described as white/brown/yellow/decent class flight from our cities.

    I did have a chuckle about recommendations for cameras and contacting the police etc. The police don't care. In fact in the UK the police do everything they can to promote crime. That is why Police do everything they can to arrest anyone defending themselves (remember the teacher jailed for firing an air pistol at the ground). I do private research into this area which is why I attended the last day of the show trial of the Norfolk farmer Tony Martin.

    Known drug dealers are moved into inner city areas and given free houses for use as a base. The intention is to increase the number of addicts so that then more crime is committed which leads to the employment of more police, lawyers, court staff, social workers, council staff etc etc etc. It is to promote a client state, or put another way a racket. Can you imaging how much petrol these parasites all consume?

    Put another way I am with Timber on this one. The greenest solution is definitely the one they use in Texas.
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      CommentAuthorbetterroof
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2009
     
    also, apart from any crime reduction strategies you come up with (good luck with that btw) have you considered a flat plate collector panel rather than evacuated tubes? they are much more robust... I'm presuming you aren't in a heritage area or anything so planning shouldn't be an issue. they do work differently in terms of output, but I've seen them work and they can be damned efficient.

    have a look see :smile:
    • CommentAuthorTuna
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2009
     
    Posted By: BrianRV8Dolly is this the UK? If so I would probably advise you to move house. You are about to become what is inaccurately termed 'white flight' but is more accurately described as white/brown/yellow/decent class flight from our cities.


    What a miserable outlook on life. A couple of kids with nothing better to do, and you're packing your bags and heading for the hills? Oh dear.

    Nice conspiracy theory though.
  2.  
    Posted By: BrianRI did have a chuckle about recommendations for cameras and contacting the police etc.


    Chuckle away (that'll make the world a better place to live), but that's what happens where I live (Central Sheffield). Also contact the school as they do have a duty of care to the community; (am a governor myself and know our school at least would act).

    The point is don't accept excuses, press people its essentially their job to solve this not yours, but you can still do you bit for society as well and I don't think shooting people is part of that, (not saying I haven't thought that way myself once or twice).

    Some people just say "oh the police won't do any thing" "its all Gordon Browns fault" and then grumble away into their Daily Mail about the state of society (but not actually act to change it to make it better) and how horrid poor/young people are, and how they should all be rounded up to live in council estates away from nice people like 'us' in "decent classes".

    Be active. Ask the police, if they won't do anything then file a formal complaint and contact your councillor. Gather your own evidence and present to school(s) - telling the police what you are doing as you go along. If that doesn't work then contact the press and your MP.

    Alongside, pressure for more more facilities for the young and bored, set up/help out at a youth group talk to the people with the bricks (and other people in the area so you all respond the same way) - honestly it works and the chances of being attacked are not really an issue other than in the minds of the hysterical.

    We had a similar problem when we lived in the 'burbs. Talking (quite firmly :devil:), followed by PIR light and fake CCTV did the trick. Its all about boredom, and getting away with it. Most problem kids don't have any real drive to perform vandalism, if you add some hassle factor and the possibility of getting caught then its not worth the bother especially if there's something else to do.

    Now we live on the centre of town on a 60s estate, and although aggressive confronting is probably less advised :shocked:. I try to contribute to the community where I can and I always have a quite word if I see someone vandalising something; mostly I'm ignored or sworn at but hey you got to make an effort, and even though they don't exactly beg my forgiveness they do tend to stop what they're doing.

    J
  3.  
    ...on a lighter note... :wink:

    Just been thinking about the idea of a Vandal magnet...

    ...ie the "ACME Vandal Magnet" it senses the desire to vandalise and instantly drags the culprit inexplicably toward the magnet, where he/she is inextricably bonded to said 'Vandal Magnet', then the police only have to come along every Monday morning with a giant "ACME Vandal Spatula" to scrape them off straight into the panda car...

    J
  4.  
    Where do you get rubber air rifle pellets from? I like that idea.
  5.  
    ..I give up... :sad:

    J
  6.  
    No don't, James. I'd like to put in a bulk order. That way we might be able to get the little **********s who broke my 'water-runs-through-the-tubes-so-you-lose-all-system-pressure-and the-whole-system-fails' Schott ETs. Nick
    • CommentAuthorTimber
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2009
     
    Flippant comment on my part, but you can get them.

    As a substitute you can use the rubbers off the end of pencils!

    Timber
  7.  
    Back to the original question.....

    A sheet of polycarbonate (not the corugated stuff) Looks like perspex, but bricks don't break it. trade name is Macrolon I think. It is used for police riot shields so should keep your solar installation safe. You can get it from most plastics suppliers.
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2009
     
    Y'know the lovely -seasoned- elm tree we cut down a couple of months ago and prepared to be taken away and sawn into planks?? been on our grass verge for 10 days and this afternoon someone came and sawed up and NICKED one of the logs - only 4 left. . . . . . .

    Sorry for the - only slightly relevant hijack - back to topic now, sigh. . . . .
    • CommentAuthorV8Dolly
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
     
    Hey folks!
    Thanks for all the replies. We are in the UK, in a supposedly 'nice' area & haven't ticked anyone off to our knowledge. We've had no trouble since the brick incident & the camera installation... the police took no interest whatsoever, other than to issue a crime number over the phone. I like the Texas approach, unfortunately from past experience I'm well aware that our Police are far more interested in the rights of the perpetrators (don't get me started!) & the firearms in my possession are all too lethal!
    Thanks for the polycarbonate tip Laurence, that's certainly one avenue to explore...
    • CommentAuthorPeter C
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    Good quality flat solar panels are very strong, I saw a photo of a Range Rover driven on to a panel that was lying on a concrete floor in the warehouse to prove how strong the panel was.

    I understand the Range Rover remained in place for about an hour before it had to be moved causing no damage to the panel, the same panel has passed approval process for "Texas Hail" appears the hail stones can be as big as a golf ball in Texas.

    I have no link with the company, however it is a good example of the old adage "You Get What You Pay For"
    • CommentAuthorarthur
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    Tony Martin, eh? What a hero. What a role model.
    • CommentAuthorsquowse
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009 edited
     
    Posted By: BrianRKnown drug dealers are moved into inner city areas and given free houses for use as a base. The intention is to increase the number of addicts so that then more crime is committed which leads to the employment of more police, lawyers, court staff, social workers, council staff etc etc etc. It is to promote a client state, or put another way a racket. Can you imaging how much petrol these parasites all consume?


    I know people who work for the police, social workers etc; and they all seem to be unaware of this scheme. in fact they seem to be under the impression that fewer of them are there to do more work! can you point them in the direction of more information on this groundbreaking job creation programme?
    and does this mean that suburban and rural areas are now short of drug dealers? leading to more petrol consumption as users now have to drive in to the state designated drug dealing houses!

    sorry for digression from the subject of strengthening solar panels..
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2009
     
    I went to the same school as Tony Martin, don't remember him so must have been a quiet one :)
    Polycarbonate yellows with age in UV light but Acrylic (Perspex) does not. It is possible to get flexible acrylic sheet that is pretty tough. Look up the light transmissivety and reflection figures. Alternatively can you place the collectors on the other side of the house, as long as it is not North facing you should get enough light.

    Nick
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