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    • CommentAuthorRoobarb
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Hi

    We're about to renovate the dining room in our stone cottage, and wanted to ask for some advice on French doors. At the moment the room has one window on the north side of the house, and the room is quite dark. We want to put in French doors opening onto a patio area on the south side. The walls are very thick stone (around 2') and I'm concerned that putting in French doors is going to make the room much less efficient at keeping the heat in. Are French doors considered a bad idea from an insulation perspective, or will the additional passive solar gain be likely to offset the loss of stone enough to make it worthwhile? What are the best products to be looking at?

    Thanks
    Simon
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
     
    You could always fit TWO sets of doors, one set opening out and one set opening in. Or even glazed shutters on the inside, bifolding back against the reveal.

    I'd suggest getting your friendly local joiner to make them, but from other threads on here it would appear there aren't enough local joiners with the necessary skills left to meet modern energy saving standards.
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      CommentAuthorrogerwhit
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2010
     
    I reckon there are lots of skilled joiners about - but many will not be up to speed on energy (& other environmental) issues, however given their making skills they could be briefed on that by a client.
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    Given that the existing is a pure stone wall, I'd be surprised if installing a good quality double, or ideally triple since the price premium is small, glazed french door doesn't actually lead to less heat loss from the house. Stone is a pretty poor insulator, even 2 foot thick.

    If it is south facing then locate the doors as far to the outside edge of the stone as practical to maximise solar gain. With a high mass building like yours you shouldn't have to worry too much about overheating in the summer.
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    It wuld be a very rare wall that was two-foot thick and made of pure stone. Most walls are rubble-stone, with thermal values that don't follow that of your standard limestone cube. There's been some interesting research by Historic Scotland http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/cgu-interim-u-value-mass-walls.pdf" >here which may surprise some.
    • CommentAuthorRoobarb
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2010
     
    Thanks for all your replies on this. I hadn't considered that the thick walls might actually have a higher u value than double-glazed doors.
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    Based on the historic Scotland document it seems very dependent on the internal finish. If hard plaster direct to the stone then a decent 2G/3G door could well be better. If it is lath and plaster, or plaster board then you'll need pretty high specification (i.e. expensive) doors to be as good, or better.

    Add in the potential passive solar gain, and you should probably still end up no worse off though.
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